Jake Beeson Wrestling RMN this Weekend

Jake Beeson will be wrestling at RMN this weekend. We will not be able to make subs. We will show up at Districts the following weekend and I expect to have a seeding meeting and Jake to be allowed to Wrestle. If there will be a problem with this I would like someone from the State Board to contact me and let me know what we need to do to make this happen. Unless I am contacted I will assume that this is ok with the board.

Just to be clear Jake will be wrestling 14U at Districts.

Chad Beeson

So does that mean anyone who decides they aren't going to wrestle in subs, that they are just automatically go to districts it's ok if you post it here? Even though everyone else has to qualify? If so then my whole team decides they are just going directly to districts. They are some 8U, some 10U, some 12U, some 14U and a few high schoolers. I will also assume this is ok unless notified.

Chad- I don't think they realized what kind of can of worms they opened up...

Goodluck at rocky mountain nats have fun it should be a good bracket

Just wait, I found out the board is not being truthful about this even a little bit.

District 1 voted this down 42-4, District 2 was told their was no vote because it already passed, District 3 was lied to and told the other district were on board, District 4 voted it down, 27-2 or something like that.

This is not a can of worms. This is a five gallon bucket of manure.

What the heck is going on?

The board voted against the wishes of the State Body, I'm pretty sure illegally, to allow High School kids to enter the State Tournament a week late. This in and of itself is against the rules. High School kids were allowed, last minute, most people found out at the District Meeting. Too late to do anything about it. 14U and younger are not allowed this luxury. I am sending Jake just to prove a point.

Probably should have been foresight rather than hindsight and a latent decision making process & an assumptive posture & every thing is fine?
So, should we allow all wrestlers participating in RMN to "show up" & expect to be 'seeded'?
RMN is not the only tournament going on this coming weekend. Its a decision making process. Sounds like a big bucket of manure!

If they allow one kid they should allow all.10u 64 division 2 only has a total of 8 kids. Oh and they wrestled a lot more matches this year than high school. Quit catering to high school. Not many places recruit off of high school kids tournaments. We should have state the weekend of high school regional or the week before
. This would solve all. Bring the 6u kids and forget high school. Start freestyle last two weeks of March. A lot of clubs should consider freestyle tournaments to earn more money.

I have heard different stories, If a HS wrestler shows up on Fri night and makes weight and wrestles on Sat., takes first, is he/she seeded 1st for districts?? What if he/she makes weight shows up Sat. to wrestle but no one else is there to wrestle in his/her bracket, is he/she Champion and seeded 1st for Districts?

Who is this "magical board" I continue to hear about? It has to have some names associated with it....:)

So can I take all my kids that don't qualify at our Subs, regardless of age and weight, to this other District and get them in? What District is allowing this 2 or 3 or both? From above it appears 1 and 4 are not allowing it. We will do it, what the heck, I also have kids that had Spring Break conflicts but they will be back in time for Districts so I can take them there and get them in also.

I personally believe that ALL members of the Kids Executive Board are doing what they feel is in the best interests of our wrestlers. The motive to eliminate HS subs was to eliminate unnecessary travel, cost, and free up the weekend. There were some ancillary benefits THIS YEAR but they may not be available next year so this action was NOT really about the RMN event.

The fact is that ANYONE who is in a sub with 4 or less competitors can contact their district director to have their weigh in approved and not wrestle, defaulting to the lowest placing. NO ONE is on the USAWKS Kids or Corp Board to advance their personal agenda. The job requires attending several meetings, long drives, time away from family, and lots of patience. The Bylaws, as written today, are full of gray areas and loop holes. These were taken advantage of to eliminate the HS division sub district qualifier. Not one wrestler is harmed from this. They all get to wrestle in Districts and have the same opportunity to advance to state. It should not be viewed as harmful to try to allow more wrestlers more opportunities to compete.

I think the board members who had the courage to implement a positive change should be applauded. Being on the board is, generally speaking, a thankless job.

The District State Director and his/her two Assistant State Directors will determine the number of qualifiers from Sub District to District. Each District will have this responsibility.

This Bylaw allows each District to autonomously decide how to advance wrestlers to Districts. Two districts simply ruled it was not necessary to have a qualifier for districts. The district that REALLY didn't need any subdistricts elected to do so as the Director chose to leave the process up to a vote. District 2's Director and Assistant Directors made a decision without a vote. District 3 created a solution and it was passed by vote. District 1 went to a vote and decided to maintain the sub district qualifying process.

Bylaws can be changed. If you have issues please submit your suggestions per the process outlined in the Bylaws.

See RULES tab and Select Kids Bylaws

I promise no one on the board was trying to harm any wrestler or favor another. Consider: Cost of travel, low number of participants, high number of scratches in this Division, and the time wasted. The fiscally responsible decision is to eliminate HS subs.

I call BS, I have tried in the past couple of years to get satellite's for subs and districts, to help with hotel expense's, and most of you said heck no (cheaters). Your saving how many parents money by taking out HS at Subs? Get rid of Subs altogehter or not, but don't blow smoke up our butt that the board feels "they are saving us money". It is harming the wrestlers (except the 50 that are going to CO) because the wrestlers that stay in Kansas don't get matches this weekend and haven't had a match in 2 or 3 weeks. Good luck guys in CO!!! In the past when someone wanted a change they had to bring it before the entire State body in Salina (in November) and it was voted on. The board cannot change the rules year to year on their own. Sounds a lot like our Federal government (Executive decision). I don't believe this is a positive change, except to the guys going to CO, which again good luck. Cokeley you are usually a "by the book" hard a$%, why is this ok, and announced 6 days before the first qualifing tourny? This could of been sent out electronically and voted on by every head coach in the state 2 weeks ago. I bet the board (and others) were scared to hear the coaches votes. Good luck Kansas at RMN!!!

We tried to eliminate HS subs back in September. Everyone was on board to do so until the USA wrestling opportunity for high schools to purchase unlimited cards for $300. Some members became nervous that this would cause a huge influx of HS competitors. I called BS (you can find this in the minutes) but Dist 4 united and all voted to TABLE the motion until we had the numbers. The numbers were produced last week. They did not improve and it was not substantiated, especially in Dist 4, that we should not have Subs. Blame your District Director if you did not find out about this motion in your fall meeting or blame yourself if you didn't attend. I GUARANTEE that this had NOTHING to do with the Colorado opportunity. That was just a coincidental issue. ANYONE in HS can go to Colorado this weekend and still participate.

There is WAY more good in this issue than bad but only you can decide whether you choose to look for the good or the bad.

What is done is done. Lets move on and wrestle.

I’m not quite sure what harm is being created by allowing kids to wrestle in TWO great events. I see no negative effects by our districts leaders in the decision they made. So what if the HS wrestlers don’t wrestle Subs, most of the HS wrestlers I have talked to are happy with the current decision to eliminate sub-districts.

Good luck to all this weekend wherever you may be wrestling.

I have said over and over I think this is a good thing. The problem is how it was handled. Some Districts voted, and voted it down, some did not. Some are charging an entry fee for subs and some are not. This was decided by a secrete meeting the day of seeding for subs. Some Districts were told it was because the High School numbers were too low, some Districts were told it was to help an elite few.

The Board apparently is not together on this and it is causing confusion and distrust. If things need to be changed I am all for change. I am not for one or two guys making a decision that effects the entire state and being told to live with it. The board has lost a lot of credibility with the wrestling community. What are you going to do to get it back?

I would like to think as a State promoting the sport that we would put everyone on the same qualifying series. Since these 2 Districts have created a different path can the other 2 districts that have kids who don’t qualify in their sub district wrestle at the other sites District tournament? Do they need to register this week? I’m pretty sure there is nothing in the Bylaw that says they have to register in their district.

Anybody have the answer?

So are you suggesting that if you get beat out at D1 you can just re-enter at D2 or D3 for Districts and try again?

Asking more than suggesting but if there is not a qualifier for HS D2 and D3 they should be able to show up and wrestle also just like anyone else (even if they didn’t do RMN).

YEP...please refer to HS topic "Calling all D1, D3, and D4 High School wrestlers". Join Team Bandidos today!

This post sure makes it appear that the change was made to support the elite wrestlers attending the RMN duals!

Why was sub district cancelled for high school in D2? To save money? Less Travel? Not enough Kids? Here are some facts as I read them....

1. There are 32 total brackets that were to be wrestled in D2 High school division this weekend. 16 of those are big enough brackets that kids would be eliminated. That's 50% of Brackets

2. In 8U there are 36 total brackets with 16 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 44.4% of Brackets

3. In 10u there are 40 brackets with 16 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 40% of Brackets.

4. In 12U there are 42 brackets with 13 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 30.9% of Brackets.

5. In 14U there are 46 brackets with 19 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 41.3% of brackets.

Why the special treatment for High School Kids. The rest of us are hard working parents that could use a financial saving of not going to SUBS.

PS.... There will $16540 in entry fees for this tournament. So what is really going on?

The number of age and weight classes with less than 16 competitors in the state is as follows.

8U-125 11 Wrestlers
10U-52 9 Wrestlers 1-will be eliminated before state
10U-170 12 Wrestlers
12U-215 8 Wrestlers
12U-240 4 Wrestlers
14U-75 5 Wrestlers
14U-80 11 Wrestlers
14U-265 12 Wrestlers 2 will be eliminated before state
HS-100 10 Wrestlers 1 will be eliminated before state
HS-250 10 Wrestlers

I think we are missing the problems here

1. I don't know one person who thinks that they should pay for a tourney not wrestled.

2. Life is about choices. Our leaders should look at what is for the greater good. Doing what is better for a select few wrestlers just so that they do not have to chose between 2 tournaments is not what is better for the majority of the wrestlers.

3. There are multiple tournaments available to enter every week and we don't get to wrestle them all...we choose.

4. How is it okay for some of the kids in these brackets. For instance there are brackets with 15 kids, which means while everyone else in the state gets to wrestle 2-3 matches to qualify, if one of these lucky wrestlers looses first match he will have to wrestle 5 times to place and 6 times to get third.

5. We need to remain a democracy and allow fair voting and not limit it to a few greedy coaches who are simply in it for team points or the glory of possibly having one more state placer.

6. CHOOSE to be part of an awesome dual team representing Kansas or CHOOSE to wrestle in one of the (up until now) greatest qualifying series.

I have the chance to get tickets to the NCAA national Finals the week of Districts... I don't want to have to choose... Can we skip District and go right to state? We are in D2

so we have the choice to go to D3 also if we want to wrestle district we just need a club to take us in or make a club?

Here is how many weight classes who would have 8 or less wrestlers in a bracket at the district level.
D1-30
D2-43
D3-41
D4-61

That is 175 wrestlers and their families that will have to attend a sub-district qualifier. All but 4 will NOT have to wrestle to make it to districts. If we are trying to save money (as some have said) Why have a sub-district tournament for any of these families? They could get together on the Friday before districts, have a seeding meeting to determine the brackets.

And how many HS kids going to RMN are actually going to wrestle in the kids state?

ath618...I am not sure how many are going to wrestle at State but if they want to they are welcome to join Team Bandidos! We are going to D2 in Andover!

bandido.usawks@gmail.com

Well I know there will be a kid 12under or whatever age show up to wrestle at D2 and if you say no your not HS to bad. You break the rules for one you better break it for all....I see lawsuit in the works

Like Chad said to send one to prove a point.

This was a question, and this is for District #2. Just need an answer so I know whether to tell my HS wrestlers yes they are going Fri. or no they get another weekend off. (just what they need)

Danny- Please don't take my word as the final say by any means but according to the email I got from Richard it says that a wrestler has the choice to wrestle Saturday in an "Open" tournament. By this I would guess that any placing received does not move forward for district...I believe they are having another seeding meeting for District for the high school.

It depends what you mean by "any placing received at Subs does not move forward to Districts." For example, if Billy and Danny both wrestle Subs and Billy wins, then you can't justify giving Danny a seed over Billy at Districts.

Max Fisher
316-655-5750
Kansas Young Guns

Once again I call BS! Thank u P Freak, and Fisher, after all this is over I hope these people are happy. Trust me I understand the monetary investment in this sport, being from SEK, having to travel atleast 2 hours to get to big tourney's, but at least we have always known and planned on Subs, Dist. and State. I'm glad someone has taken full responsibility for this, but that still doesn't mean &$)(.. Seeding on Sat. what a freaking joke, just draw numbers, DA. This change has completely changed how a responsible business (corporation) is operated. That being (Kansas Wrestling) you big Whigs complain about how USA Wrestling has changed stuff and how it has effected Kansas, and how important the State body is to this sport, then you go and change the rules (for your districts wrestlers benefits) at the last minute. Two years ago any changes to by-laws had to be presented to the State Body in Nov. and the proposal had to be in writing to the State board well before that. Jeff Smith from Derby tried to get double dipping changed midway throughout the season, guess what didn't happen, why, because he had to take it to the State board. (I think that is what he wanted changed) I guess you make changes so a few can excel, while the rest of us follow the rules. Sorry Jeff

Look at how many D2 wrestlers are going to RMN! And they still get to pay $20 to a tourney they didn't attend

Is the entry fee cheaper since it's an "open" tournament? Is it chartered, as an "open" tournament? Do they have separate insurance since 8-14u is sanctioned in the STATE qualifying series? No other tourney in Kansas can use State, Championship in their tournament name! Unless through USA Wrestling, and then it has to be approved! Don't believe this is legal and Kansas wrestling might get in a little bit of trouble from big daddy (USA Wrestling) because of some district and assistant district representatives.

We appear to look like "mental screwdrivers" adjusting to benefit whomever in the last 2 weeks to other USA-STATE kids fed's. This is quite embarassing and lacks integrity. Still can't understand why except for the defending HS DUAL team at RMN.
And Team Bandidos are they reallly legit? Especially with some of the District names attached? Haven't heard a word on the $50 late penalty for late registration. ....And then the irony of a member of the board threatening a litigious suit? And PM name calling? Seriously!
Choices, Rules, Options!