smokeycabin's rankings

Coming in March 2011

Only 172 days left

Coach,

I can wait to see your rankings, just can't wait for the season to begin! I am sure looking forward to following the HS season much closer than I have been able to the last nine years.

They will expect T-shirts Sean.

171 days and counting - no T-shirt - maybe a participation certificate.

Please no participation certificate!!!!! We baby kids too much as it is.

They will expect T-shirts Sean.
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Eric Johnson

www.scienceprovesit.com

Acts 4:12

No gifts from me. Not even a button.

Guys I’m sorry but this thread has not been officially approved! Smokey you will soon be receiving a cease and desist order and this thread will be officially declared DEAD!!

BD

I am waiting on a reliable source - 170.5 days and counting.

Just what criteria are you using to determine if your sources are reliable or not?

Bend,

Are you celebrating the court's decision to abolish the don't ask don't tell rule?

Now that’s just the type of inappropriate humor that would make me …WHOOPS NOT ME….But someone else…. want to jump off the GW Bridge.

I think Bishop Ward wins 4A Baseball in 2011. More rankings to come in 170 days.

I think SJA wins 4A Girls Volleyball. I am going out on a limb.

Kansas High School
Football Rankings

Source: http://www.kansasprepfootball.com/Rankings.htm

I thought Olathe East beat Olathe North earlier in the year head to head by a pretty good margin.

6A

1. Wichita Heights
2. Manhattan
3. Dodge City
4. Olathe North
5. Olathe East

Others: Topeka, Shawnee Mission West, Junction City, Shawnee Mission East


5A
1. Hutchinson
2. Gardner-Edgerton
3. McPherson
4. Aquinas
5. Blue Valley

Others: Bishop Carroll


4A
1. Topeka Hayden
2. Louisburg
3. Buhler
4. Holton
5. Andale


Others: Abilene, Independence, Basehor-Linwood, KC Sumner

3A
1. Conway Springs
2. Scott City
3. Silver Lake
4. Hutch Trinity
5. Garden Plain


Others: Norton, Phillipsburg, Wichita Collegiate


2A
1. Pittsburg-Colgan
2. Olpe
3. Meade
4. Centralia
5. Lacrosse

Others: Elkhart, Oswego


8-man I
1. Pretty Prairie
2. Madison
3. Lebo
4. Osborne
5. Quinter

Others: Clifton-Clyde, Hill City, Lakeside

8-man II
1. Baileyville B&B
2. Hanover
3. Otis-Bison
4. Ashland
5. South Haven


Others: Quivira Heights, Cheylin-Bird City, South Barber, Centre-Lost Springs

October 13, 2010

Super 10
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1. Hutchinson
2. Gardner-Edgerton
3. Wichita Heights
4. Manhattan
5. McPherson
6. Dodge City
7. Blue Valley
8. Aquinas
9. Olathe North
10.Bishop Carroll
11.Topeka Hayden
12.Olathe East
13.Junction City
14.Shawnee Mission West
15.Conway Springs
16.Louisburg
17.Buhler
18.


Super 10
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1. Hutchinson
2. Gardner-Edgerton
3. Wichita Heights
4. Manhattan
5. McPherson
6. Dodge City
7. Blue Valley
8. Aquinas
9. Olathe North
10.Bishop Carroll
11.Topeka Hayden
12.Olathe East
13.Junction City
14.Shawnee Mission West
15.Conway Springs
16.Louisburg
17.Buhler
18.
19.
20.

Cross Country - Rankings

• #15 Re: GKCCCCA Poll
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Coaches,
Here is the MOKAN poll.
Boys
1. SM Northwest
2. Liberty
3. Lee¹s Summit North
4. SM South
5. Rockhurst
6. Lawrence
7. RayPec
8. Aquinas
9. Baldwin
10. Blue Springs

Girls
1. Lees Summit West
2. Lees Summit North
3. Shawnee Mission West
4. St. Thomas Aquinas
5. St. Teresas Academy
6. Olathe East
7. Baldwin
8. Ray-Pec
9. Blue Valley Northwest
10. Staley

Kansas Poll

Boys
1. SMNW
2. SMS
3. LAW
4. Aquinas Tie
4. Baldwin Tie
6. BV West
7. SME
8. SMW
9. BV
10. Free State
Others Receiving votes
Desoto, Mill Valley,
Olathe East, Olathe North
BV North

Girls
1. SM West
2. Aquinas
3. Olathe East
4. Baldwin
5. BV Northwest
6. BV West
7. SM Northwest
8. BV North
9. SM East
10. Desoto

Reliable Source: http://ks.milesplit.com/discussion/topics/77358

Reliable Source: Wills Top Prospects


6 and Under Rankings coming soon -

But they will be posted appropriately on the Kids Forum...

Senior - Colt Skillman of Burlington Kansas might find his way into the top ten 103 pounders this year.

Smokey's BBQ in Wellsville. Awesome BCS ranking - Burnt End Dinner - rank 10. I will be in Wellsville again today for the D-1 meeting. I highly recommend Smokey's BBQ. Maybe Will and I can do lunch there. There was even a few pictures of Wellsville HIGH SCHOOL wrestlers on the podium for KSHSAA High School State Tournament on the wall in Smokey's BBQ - just above the booth we sat in. As we ate this wonderful lunch - I asked one of my former HS wrestlers HS placer and college wrestler) and his Dad (now he has grand kids wrestling in Kansas) how important would it have been or will it be for Kansas to have a 6 & Under State tournament for the former wrestler, or his cousins, or grand son in wrestling. The college student/former HS wrestler said "I wish I had started later - are you really serious". The Dad/Grandpa had a comment - it was a bit philisophical - but it was along the same lines as "are you really serious" - I asked them both how they would vote if they were club directors and/or coaches. It was NO. So there we were 3 people with at least 60 combined years in the wrestling world - and 3 Not in favor. It was a great lunch.

This is the hs forum page.

Yes it is a high school area and these people like BBQ also and they were once 4,5 & 6 years old. I hope they are reading this in HS - that means they are still involved. I wonder how many of the kids and parents - look back and say - Man I wish we had a 6 & Under State Championship 10 or 12 years ago.

Definitely not me, with all due respect smokeycabin.
It's bad enough that we have a multitude of 8, 10 and 12 year olds running around telling everybody about how they are "state champions".
It would be even worse and even more ridiculous if they were 6 and under. Once that's in then we will be looking for 4 and under and 2 and under. What an accomplishment that would be, to be the 1 and under state champion.

Wow Really???
What’s wrong with a young person, who is dedicated to a sport, being proud of their accomplishments?
The next thing you know you are going to say something silly like “who cares about a 10 year old winning that Trinity Award thingy or that Triple Crown thing-a-ma-bob”??

hard work + success = THE RIGHT TO BE PROUD!!!!

BLT,

My worst nightmare would be my son telling me he didn't want to wrestle anymore. He will be a freshman this year and has put in nine years in the Kid's Federation. He has not placed at State but has been there twice going 3-4. The only National Tournament he has gone to was the Middle School Nationals Duals event last year. As an alternate, he went 7-1 (6-0 in alternate matches, 1-1 in team matches). Counting Junior High, he had 78 matches last year and won 60 of them. He placed 5th at the Kansas Middle Schools National Tournament, but didn't qualify for Kid's State going 0-2 in a brutal District bracket that sent four kids into the top five places at the Kid's State Tournament.

He had the greatest season he has ever had last year, and never wrestled more than 49 matches in a year, which he accomplished the year before. He has never wrestled Freestyle of Greco Roman because he is involved in baseball and soccer during the summer. All of that said, it would hurt me terribly if he said that he didn't want to wrestle anymore. He should be a solid High School wrestler and that is what is important to me, not that he won Kid's State at the age of whatever, or even placed.

As I sit here in cedarfalls iowa and wonder why I see so many kids from Minn,Wis,Ill, and Iowa. Kansas has a handfull of kids here. I have seen posts in the past commenting how Ks kids fall short compaired to above mentioned states. Well the answer lies in these posts. They start early in childs life and like football in Texas it is second to Religion. Strength is in numbers and if you want to see Kansas compete stronger at the national level get as many kids and parents excited about the sport as you can.

I am sorry, you have missed the point.
Of course they should be proud and so should their parents.

This is a ridiculous comment as Kansas is in the top 10 every year in folkstyle, freestyle or greco if not all at the same time.
Additionally Kansas is like 4th in the nation in kids memberships and has as excited parents as anyone.
I am not sure why it was posted either as it is really unrelated to the previous comments.

I agree X, but honestly 'hisway' do you believe starting as a 6 year old wrestling in tournaments really helps you become a more technical wrestler. I can understand teaching your kids moves when they are young at home, but there is no need for tournaments or competitive practices until age 8 at the earliest.

Heres what I. Believe kids and parents involved period. Check and tell me how we did at preason nationals and two wrestlers left at super 32. Sure looks kansas is on same level. Results speak loud.

"Super 32" don't mean nothing to me and the results of that prove nothing.
I am talking about Senior Nationals, the National Duals and Fargo.
But you are right that results speak loud so you better check those results before you start popping off.

You can become a more technical wrestler at any age, if you teach them technical moves. If you want them to win at 6U, teach them a headlock, they'll win most of their matches, and intimidate other 6u kids with it. But then most kids will rely on that move, and when they start getting their tails handed to them at 8u, 10u, etc., they quit the sport. I think it is a move that kids should learn when they start FS/Greco, AFTER they have learned several leg attacks, a standup, and some riding/pinning combinations from the top.

I have seen a number of kids through the years that learned the headlock at an early age and tried to throw it every match they had. Success early on, not so much as they progressed through the sport. And yes, they either had to adapt and learn how to wrestle, or they just quit. From my perspective, the headlock should be learned, but only used in desperation (need a lot of points with not much time left in the match). More important than throwing the headlock is good technique in setting it up.

Doug, is Levi really allowed to use a headlock???? It is a great move, but has it place. All kids should know a move like it. Like the Missouri kids that spaudle. The problem is making it your main move. Should be outlawed for 6u. And, having a strong 6u state program will not make a state better. I believe too many parents think their 5 year old is a beast and start him wrestling way too early and it does not go well and then they are done. I know this is way off topic, but the only reason we are doing a 6u state is because the parents of 6 year olds provide the state alot of money, and now they need to be thrown a bone. Change the age groups to what USA runs and then all the problems are solved - 6u state and high school kids competing against jr high kids.

Yes, he can throw a headlock. If it works, he doesn't get a beating when he gets home. If it doesn't work, he get 30 lashes with a braided piece of the Wilson boys' hair.........

Interesting position.

I'm pretty sure the results of super 32 prove something. It's considered one of the toughest tournaments in the nation with over 100 kids in almost every bracket.

Fargo is probably the toughest tournament but super 32 in my opinion is probably tougher than senior nationals.

Amazing that Chief and Quagmire have both missed my point.
My comments regarding Super 32 were made in response to HISWAY's comments eluding to the "fact" that Kansas wrestling was not up to snuff as "verified" by "our" poor showing at Super 32.
Of course Super 32 is one of the toughest tournaments, that goes without saying. That is a no-brainer. It speaks volumes about the talent/skill/potential of individuals, of course it helps "prove" how good individuals are. But it is not a good reflection of Kansas wrestling as a whole and does nothing to "prove" where we stand as a state. The majority of our best wrestlers do not even go. That is why I said it don't mean nothing to me.
I would think that you should focus more on the derogatory comments of HISWAY and helping me paint a better picture of Kansas wrestling than focusing on one comment about Super 32 that was obviously taken out of context and correcting me because I might have offended someone.
Sorry that I was not clearer, I did not think that it was necessary.
And sorry if I offended anyone.
I know one thing for sure and that is that Kansas Wrestling rocks, especially when you consider how small the population is and our past results at the National Duals, Fargo and the Senior Nationals definitely "prove" that.
Have a great day!

That is an interesting opinion. I wonder why so many college coaches do some of their primary recruiting at Super 32? Hats off to everyone from Kansas who competed in this tournament!

("X" you snuck in a reply before I submitted my post that I didnt see. You backed out of that nicely!)

You have missed my point. The more kids and parents you have involved in wrestling the better it will be. I come from the south where football is lived and breathed. The only thing I am saying is that start them early get them excited and the sport will only prosper. From the northern states wrestling is as football is in the south. Maybe because its is an indoor event in a climate that no one wants to be outside I do not know but it is a passion in the Northern states. Due to this passion the do very well at national events.

Correction, amazing that Chief, Quagmire and Moeder missed my point.
Did you guys not read the previous posts that lead up to that comment? No, you just saw comment from X, let's get him, that's how it usually works. Your turn Cokeley, I'll be disappointed if you don't get in on the action, especially since Ryne placed at Super 32. Congratulations by the way to him and you, great accomplishment. I am not surprised.
And I wouldn't say "backed out" Moeder because I'm not backing out of my comment. I stand by what I originally said but I am apparently clarifying what I already stated. And next time I will be clearer. But I know what you mean Moeder.
Have a great day all!

Well there's your problem HISWAY our climate in kansas is too mild. Kids spend an equal amount of time on indoor as they do outdoor sports, its just a shame.

Don't go flattering yourself now X, I would have replied the same way no matter who would have made that comment!

I am not sure what I "missed" HISWAY, you were pretty clear about it.



Here is what you said above.

You got in on the 6 and under state discussion, saw that some people didn't think it was necessary and commented that was the problem with Kansas wrestling. You stated that according to other comments you had seen, Kansas fell short compared to others and that it was somewhat due to not everyone in Kansas being in favor of 6 and under state. If we in Kansas were all on the same page with regard to 6 and under state we would have greater interest and more excited parents and be able to "compete" stronger at the National level. You then thru out the Super 32 comment, stated that we did "poorly" and used that to justify your derogatory comments about Kansas.

That is what I read HISWAY, what did I miss?

I replied that:
Kansas has one of the top kids enrollments, in spite of its small population, Fact.
Kansas has some of the most excited parents on the planet, just go to the tournaments, Fact.
Kansas is almost always in the top 10 every year at either Fargo, the National Duals or Senior Nationals if not more than one, in spite of its small population, Fact.

So the whole Kansas falls short, can't compete comments bother me. They are not only offensive, they are not accurate.
I am not trying to be mean or offensive HISWAY and I apologize if I have been.

Super 32 is not a good indicator of where Kansas is as a state because most of our best wrestlers don't even go. I didn't say it that way the first time and that comment was taken out of context by some so I need to do a better job of making sure that I am crystal clear with my comments obviously.

But I know one thing for sure and that is that Kansas Wrestling rocks!

And everyone have a great day!

10-4.

Your comments were not taken as offensive. Your passion for wrestling and the State is great now let that breed over into getting other people excited about it too.

X

I am offended by the Super 32 comment. You have never been there so that sounds like a very uneducated comment. I have taken my son there five times. It is second to Fargo only. This year with the extended periods and college out of bounds, it was SUPERB wrestling. 100 plus guys in your bracket! PA, OH, CA, IL, MN, WI, IA, NY, NJ, MI, and FL are clearly better than KS. We have a great number of USA Wrestlers but some states have as many as three wrestling organizations so you really cannot go by those numbers only.

Only 150 days until my rankings come out.

How did Super 32 get on this thread? That looked like a great tournament this year and the prior years.

http://techniquewave.flowrestling.org/vi...-codey-combs-de

Check out the size of the 152lber in green. They were huge!

Yikes - average 149 pounder next year. Did last years weigh in count for him.

With the current NCAA weight loss restrictions in place I would bet big $'s that dude would never legally make 149. JMO

10-4, that's the plan.
Thanks.

OMG, are you freakin serious Will?

Correction again, amazing that Chief, Quagmire, Moeder and now Cokeley also missed my point. I was expecting you Cokeley to pile on earlier but not now after I clarified, then reclarified twice. That's called a late hit and unnecessary roughness and I'm throwing a flag on that. Wow, talk about somebody not reading the previous posts. Are you serious Cokeley? Did you not read any of the previous posts that produced my "offensive" comment and the subsequent comments which clearly explained how the comment was taken out of context and how no one should be offended, not even you. I even congratulated you and Ryne. So go back and read thru my comments and you will see (hopefully) that your comment above was very unnecessary. If you have read them then I can only assume that you just like to argue/badger/offend/etc. and you were therefore compelled to submit a totally unnecessary comment.

Now as for your comment Will. As I said, it was totally unnecessary but it was also almost r tard ed and now I am offended.

First off, you have no idea whether I have been to the "Illustrious Super 32" or not Will, so that's not an accurate comment.
And secondly, I don't have to go to the "Illustrious Super 32" to know how tough it is, etc. Like I said, that goes without saying. It's a no-brainer. All one has to do is look at the brackets and the entries to know that. I don't need to go to know that. I already admitted how tough it is, etc. So NO Will, my comment was not uneducated but it sounds like your comment was from what I have read. Once again, your comment's not accurate.

We do have something in common though Will and that is that we both offend people easily. But the difference is that I don't offend everybody every time that I comment and when I do it is not intentional and I do feel bad about. Whereas you offend someone almost every time you comment and you obviously do it on purpose and you don't care who you offend. And that's ok Will, that is your right obviously but that is not me so don't paint that picture.

Speaking of painting pictures, that is what I was trying to do, paint a better picture of Kansas wrestling and I get attacked for it, go figure. That's hard to take, especially when it is from someone who paints a bad picture of Kansas wrestling as verified by your comments. But once again, it's your right to cast Kansas Wrestling in a bad light, just not sure why you would want to do that.

Bottom line for sure is that "Illustrious Super 32", no matter how tough it is, second only to Fargo, etc., is not a good indicator of where Kansas wrestling is as a whole because, once again, most of Kansas's best wrestlers don't even go.

You stated that Kansas wrestling was behind all the other states you listed, well duh. They should be "better" than "us" with their populations. So like I said, based on "our" population, Kansas wrestling is right on spot and is doing great. I'm still not sure why we do so well at the National Duals, Senior Nationals and Fargo inspite of our obvious inferior wrestling. And I will continue to champion Kansas Wrestling and you can continue to trash it and when Ryne wins another state title it won't mean anything and it won't "prove" anything because he did in a weak wrestling state. But it's ok because he can still "prove" himself at the "Illustrious Super 32".

I do respect your sticktoitivness though Will. You are obviously one of the most educated informed people on the planet. You are obviously driven and dedicated to task and position. You are brutally honest, as honest as you can be based on what you think. You definitely call a spade a spade and I like that in a man. And if I offended you, well, oh boo hoo, join the club.

Yes, smokeycabin, how did Super 32 get on this thread? Not really, I know exactly how and I would like to suggest that if the current line of comments is to continue it should be restarted under a different thread with an appropriate heading.

Once again, Kansas Wrestling Rocks!
You Rock too Cokeley!
Now let the mud fly, if you must.

And everyone have a great day!

Last update for this year.


http://www.kshsaa.org/Public/Wrestling/State.cfm

Always taking the easy way out!