Tournament—1. Newton, 165.5; 2. Northwest, 124; 3. Andale, 122.5; 4. Bishop Carroll, 109; 5. Salina South, 97; 6. Heights, 97; 7. Dodge Ciy, 92.5; 8. Mulvane, 71; 9. Winfield, 71; 10. Campus, 67.5; 11. Pratt, 67.5; 12. North, 45; 13. Halstead, 27.5.

106—Foreman, Pratt, def. D. Martinez, Heights, 3-2 (4OT); third, McCafferty, Campus, pinned Pryor, Newton, 0:37.

113—Deshazer, Heights, def. Lindlar, Northwest, 7-4; third, McRoberts, Dodge City, def. Irwin, Salina South, 11-0.

120—Mies, Andale, def. Harrison, Newton, 5-1; third, Alberts, Northwest, def. Miller, Campus, 3-0.

126—Weil, Dodge City, def. D. Eck, Andale, 3-0; third, Torres, Newton, def. Pacha, Bishop Carroll, 3-2.

132—T. Smith, Winfield, def. Penka, Mulvane, 6-5; third, D. Beckner, Northwest, def. Sullentrop, Bishop Carroll, 8-0.

138—Edwards, Dodge City, pinned Parker, Heights, 2:24; third, Brazell, Northwest, pinned Bailey, Winfield, 2:47.

145—Thompson, Campus, def. McEachern, Newton, 5-4; third, J. Beckner, Northwest, def. Spangler, North, 7-6.

152—Thibault, Halstead, def. Ortiz, Northwest, 5-1; third, McNabb, Salina South, def. Moore, Bishop Carroll, forfeit.

160—Armstrong, Andale, def. Hoover, Salina South, 12-2; third, Mock, Newton, pinned L. Sponsel, Bishop Carroll, 2:20.

170—Fennewald, Mulvane, def. Langley, Newton, 1-0; third, Riner, Pratt, pinned C. Dugan, Bishop Carroll, 4:09.

182—L. Eck, Andale, def. O’Donnell, Salina South, 16-1; third, Whitten, Heights, def. Turner, Northwest, 13-8.

195—Archer, Newton, def. Gates, Andale, 17-2; third, Shirk, Salina South, def. Marquez, Bishop Carroll, 8-5.

220—Franklin, North, def. Gallegos, Newton, 8-2; third, Gates, Pratt, def. Bell, Northwest, 12-2.

285—Horn, Winfield, def. Lee, Newton, 8-1; third, Befort, Bishop Carroll, def. Villanueva, North, injury default.

Did Regalado from Pratt wrestle?

Cesar did not wrestle. He had the flu.

Couldn't help but post that the only announcer worse than the Salina 4A tourney guy, at pronouncing names, schools, etc., is the guy at Bishop Carroll......

If you can't pronounce a name, or have a question about it, why not ask someone?

And not that it makes a rat's a$$, but what is the seeding criteria at this tourney? I only looked at a few brackets, and am wondering what kind of whiskey the seeding committee was drinking that morning.

BC Pre-seeded the entire tournament.

As we entered the seeding meeting on Friday night we were told that BC had pre-seeded the entire tournament based on a formula they came up with. I don't claim to know very much as a coach, but this thing I never had figured out by the time we had left the meeting room. I am pretty sure 90% of us had no clue what the heck had just happened. We were also told that unless there was a clear criteria to change, such as head to head, this is how it would be.

It was something like

1 pts for being a state champion but a bonus point if you were returning at that weight. There were a few more that went into this Algorithm but I can't remember. I know there were decimal points involved in totals at the end... That's really all I could tell anybody.

The entire meeting, which usually takes 3 hours took 30 minutes. When we left, we were not given brackets. We got those after the scratch meeting in the morning.

So basically, it was kind of blind draw going into the tournament on Saturday except for knowing your seed.

Is it really true that Tyler Mies got the 3 seed at 120???

Is it REALLY true that Levi Eck got the 2 seed at 182?

Wow!

I believe it was true that Mies got the 3rd seed and Eck got the 2nd.

However, I have to say that it was extremely nice having a 30 minute seeding meetings. I am not a big fan of 3 hour seeding meetings. I think pre-seeding should be utilized more often; especially when it comes to a 1st half tournament. I do believe Bishop Carroll needs to adjust their algorithm, or logarithm according to Church (sorry - I had to throw that one out there! ). I think they said they would adjust it as well. The tournament was ran a lot faster than in the past and we got home before 12:30 for the first time since we've been there. So while there was some flaws in the system; I think things were a step up from how things had been the last few years.

I think we can all agree that accuracy comes before brevity.

I'm wondering how many coaches looked at each other and laughed about the shutting down of discussion while missing the correct seeds so badly? When a 4th place at state with 33-12 record trumps a 40-1 state champion, the algorithm is busted.

I like the idea of preseeding if they get it right..........No reason not to save some time if possible.

PS Please stop mentioning Al Gore.......he invented the internet, or global warming, can't remember which.......He had nothing to do with wrestling seeding.

It seems that everyone wants to make seeding a science. It is really simple:

1) Common sense (The good coaches know who the good kids are. The good coaches know the bs coaches who think 10 wins in against a bunch of bluegill and bass is better than 7-3 against tough out of state competition. If you have a Fargo AA (NHSCA, PreSeason Nationals, USA Nationals) there is no sense even looking at putting him anywhere but #1 unless you have VERY compelling evidence otherwise.)
2) State placement previous season (The goal is to win state! If you have done that or placed that TRUMPS what you did at the previous year's WHOEVER Invite. Kids bump up or match up to get better during the season. State MATTERS!)
3) Head to head
4) Common opponents

Preseeding, if done properly, should limit your seeding meeting to 30 minutes.

Another pet peeve, the coaches vote. Are you kidding me? The room is filled with Apathy or the hope that their kid gets LUCKY in the draw so they DON'T care who gets seeded! Let the coaches with the top 4 wrestlers decide or draw numbers!

The bottom line, do it RIGHT or just draw everyone in.

I agree with Will's last statement (did I really say that?) Forget the seeding meetings altogether in the regular season and draw them in and let the cream rise to the top! We could all sleep in an extra 2 hours or get the tournament done 2 hours early. There is only 1 seeding meeting that really matters and that is regionals.

I am not complaining either..FYI.... Bishop Carroll is the host of the tournament and they have all rights to do it how they want to. Were there some messed up seeds... yup... But I have seen messed up seeds after a 3 hour meeting as well. it was a good tournament. The best guy won each weight and we were done by 8:30 p.m.... I'll take that every week-end!

It was a well ran tournament by the BC people.