Kids Club Kids at High School practices????

Are kids club kids allowed to practice at the high school practice?

No!

Not in Silver Lake. Big liability issue.

Every one knows it happens.Kinda like doing your taxes.I may be roung but can the kids work on the mat but not with the highschool kids/coach?


Charles Bradford

I'm saying kids club kids wrestling with a high school kid is my question.

Is the athletics director liable?

who are you trying to get in trouble and why?
KSHSAA does not allow kids not on the HS roster to workout in a HS practice during the HS season. My understanding is that during a club practice KSHSAA has no say (thankfully) except that HS coaches can not coach HS kids until the summer. (which is a real stupid rule that I can and have gone off on rants before but...)

This is what we did...once HS season was over my 7th grade son worked out with whatever club kids were around his age and ability (or hopefully even way better than him). During HS season he was not allowed to practice with us...obviously.
It would have been stupid for me to not have my 150 middle school kid (who is decent) roll around with our 145 and 152 pound HS state placers. right?

That is exactly what open rooms are all about.

Most of the people reading this forum know why.

Mr Mahan your son is a little bit better than "decent"

What is the penalty for getting caught? Subject came up in a conversation over the weekend. I have a friend and his 6'4" 250lb nephew is moving here from Iowa. He's only in the 7th grade.

thanks, but that is mostly due to Fiss and Weaver working out with him the last two years. (during the spring and summer only of course)
hey send me a pm with the reason why cause I don't know and am kind of bored today.

... and on an associated topic, a high school coach can have no one working with those on his team other than bonafide KSHSAA coaches!

From my understanding that means no alumni, no kids club coaches, etc..

yea I have started to assumed that if I have an idea (especially outside the box) that will help develop wrestlers better, faster etc...that KSHSAA probably has a rule against it. lol jk but seriously.

What most kids club level lack is endurance and core strengthening during their MS development, because community kids clubs hesitate to work up a sweat on the kids for lack of losing them in the sport.

Kansas is making great strides in youth development I would like to see our kids federation become stronger like other states that are dominating. We're allowing KSHSAA to hold development behind at least 3-5 years when we look nationwide. We have to get on board somehow, someway.

And I can name 5 wrestlers that i could throw under the bus easily. .....Let's get it started!!!!!!

This is the first I have heard that KSHSAA is holding us back. How are they doing that and what can we do to stop it?

I haven’t quite figured it out yet , but I’m sure KSHSAA is somehow responsible for global warming.

Check out what Pennsylvania & Ohio coaches are able to do with their HS teams off season and within season.

In State College, PA the kids tuition is actually paid for by to join the Nittany Lions Wrestling Club or other elite programs within the school district by the School District. Happy Valley at its best. PA = Wrestling Culture --> large # D1 Wrestling Schools.

Enlighten us, what can they do?


I can't say for sure, but I haven't seen any KSHSAA rule that would prohibit your school district from doing the same. Of course the school district in such a case would likely end up using my tax dollars for some other sports I do not support and wouldn't want to pay for. That I would have a problem with.

Sportsfan its just as easy for you to copy and paste as it is for me. Google it. I.m on a smartphone watching our Middle Schooler's and am in Vegas at 1038 in the morning thru Wednesday with meetings after that I'd be happy to "cut & paste" to enlighten you.

Sportsfan, can u or anyone for that matter tell me what the reasonings are behind the high-school coaches staying with their team and training during off seasons is? And kids training with high-school team? I'm a reasonable man just can't see the problem.

I was in Ohio last summer at a camp with my son and we arrived several hours before the camp started and when we got there the whole highschool team was lifting weights and training with the coach and after that they were off too practice in July? Why cant we get those kind of rules in Kansas?

I can give you one reason. Because your school district and mine do not want to have to double their coach's supplemental salary in order to provide that coaching thru the summer. After all, our school districts are the ones who make up KSHSAA and in effect make those rules.

Not entirely sure of your scenario you describe, but we do have those kind of rules in Kansas. Our high schoolers attend two team camps a summer with their coaches and then have open room every Sunday.

BS there isn't a coach I know that does it for the money. Or if glad that rule is in play. Remove the rule give coaches and wrestlers the option and opportunity. I would only help Kansas wrestling grow

Then why pay them a supplemental salary at all? Why not make all high school coaching all volunteer?

Kinda venturing off subject

This wasnt a camp it was just a daily thing they did voluntary I was just curious if Kansas kids could do that. They were training at a different facility than the school. I just thought it was cool they were all there in the summer.

That's what we're complaining about so states have different rules and trying figure out the purpose and benefits of the rule I'm seeing no pros just cons currently but I'm open minded

No it's not. If coaches are willing to work in the summer months without compensation then why not work the during the school year without same?

Spoken like a true socialist!

So your not sure of a purpose or benefit for the rule either well I understand I don't get it neither

Sportsfan is a disgrace to usa wrestling. Always has been. Mooches off the system to survive then comes on this forum to spew nonsense while not doing diddily squat to improve anything!

Well Patrick maybe you right i have no idea who he is in real life. But I've never known you to be a liar my friend

Thank you Jon. Check all of my 600 posts. Not proud of all of them all, but no lies. Can you say the same sport0

I don't think we can.. but we're getting off subject again

Pat, you were correct. I just read all 601 posts and there were no lies. But tomorrow I am going to get my IQ checked, as I think I might have acquired some damage:)

hey why come you slamming your head in that car door boy..... because it feels so good when I stop

Get the schools and the clubs to work together ANY time of the year they want.That is one thing we here in KS need to do.It is BS the coaches in school can not work with the clubs and clubs cant work with coaches.
Sportsfan02 Has never and will never be in it to help.Just a mouth with fingers.Never has any fixes.Sad

Charles Bradford.

Before I fix anything, I first determine it needs fixed. To date, nobody has proven to me the system needs fixed. As I pointed out it seems to work for us and our club. Just because others are too lazy or uninspired to make it work for them, is hardly the fault of KSHSAA or me and mine. Are there things that could and should be fixed? Sure, but very few people on a public message board are able to see those things. It's much easier to just come on here and blast KSHSAA, the system, or even someone who disagrees with you!

I know for a fact that Oklahoma HS coaches can and do run FS/GR practices in their school facilities usually beginning after spring break and running through Fargo (late July). they can not coach folk style during the spring (I think) but they can do whatever they want with freestyle. so oklahoma kids are exposed to an entire additional season each year. Missouri, I believe also has a nice lack of limitations on what their HS coaches can do with FS/GR. I would do it for zero dollars (heck it would probably cost me money) if KSHSAA would allow it. It is almost un-American that KSHSAA tells HS coaches in Kansas you are not allowed to out work anyone.

All KSHSAA needs to do is allow HS coaches to coach FS/GR in March April May and Summer. And you would see Kansas wrestling skyrocket, we would immediately compete better on the national stage.
If some schools want to give stipends great, if some schools will let us use school vehicles to transport kids to FS/GR tournaments great, those programs will probably develop even faster. if KSHSAA would just back off, and let HS coaches coach.

There are some outstanding wrestling clubs that doing FS/GR most of them are in Wichita, Kansas City etc. We have to drive to Dodge, which is fine (tough room great coaches) except it is an hour and half away. But guess how many people in Hugoton Kansas are willing to run a FS/GR club...1...and he is not allowed to do it with anyone older than 7th grade...that is ridiculous. Until the summer when all the introductory opportunities are over and its time for the hard core stuff.

KSHSAA limits opportunities for HS wrestlers and coaches in Kansas.

Josh,

To answer your question....we can do that in Kansas. The coaches can work with their athletes during the summer. Many coaches do have their team lift together and then workout on the mats together during the summer.

The issue is during the school year they can't work with them on the mats. They can work with them on strength and conditioning during the off season...just no mat time. (Having said that, I personally don't like the rule. I am just stating my understanding of it).

Someone earlier said we need to allow clubs and high schools to work together...a lot of us do. Us club coaches work very close with our high school coaches to ensure we are teaching the technique they want, scheduling training times during the off season, etc. If you mean work together as in practice together then that is a different story.

Jon, I am with you on the practicing with the high school kids as a middle schooler...don't necessarily agree with that rule.

Shawn Budke

Shawnbudke
I am talking about the kids going to the clubs practic after they are done with theres.It is sad we set up reading clubs to help youg kids.Where older kids read/help read to youger kids.We tell every kids out there the more you do the better you will be.But than take that away from them for some rule,that some one think will make it unfar.Not sure how?
Hay sport you said some things needed fixed but no where in your statment was there ANY ideas.@nd I never bashed any one but you.I read what you state and see O for the good.


Charles Bradford

CWB

I understand exactly what you are saying. I was specifically trying to answer Josh's question. I agree with you. I wish we could have some of our middle schoolers be able to practice with the high schoolers.

We are lucky here in eastern KS because there are a lot of opportunities to get good practice partners. Not sure how smaller communities manage this with their experienced middle school kids and practice partners.

Shawn

Smaller communities, travel and sometimes to more than one place a week.