what if

What if after districts you could only submit up to 14 wrestler that could earn team points. Kinda even the playing field.

It is still a number game. The top ten wouldn't change much. Young guns and maize probably could choose 14 kids that would be champs.

What if we focused on improving and forgot the team title completely. Not a fair way to do it. And there are a lot of teams that didn't qualify 14. Somewhere around 30 teams out of 162 had 14.

I would be in favor of 30 kids. There are a lot more ages and weights than in High School. Good clubs are going to attract good kids. Don't punish them for being productive.

Team title is really irrelevant.... everyone pretty much agrees I think and that might be why it was announced when no one even cared to listen half way through Sunday session. Not to take away from who ever won it but really who cares... there is and won't be any equal playing field.

Will add that I wish we had 61 one kids in our club let alone 61 make it to state so my comment is not to be mean to YG but really the title is irrelevant to anyone but them and maybe local comp Maize.

I just thought if your going to have a team champ make it more interesting becouse if you already know who the champs going to be whats the point. If the coach has 60 kids two pick from who's to say he picks the right kids. Not every body you thinks going to be a champ wins.

i just want to ask everyone on this forum that has a high school wrestler or kids that have graduated a couple questions. do you remember what your kids record was every year and all together since they started wrestling. do you know how many state titles they won. do you know how many team titles they won. now do you remember how they did in high school. thats all i got.

Good points--- Scott Bockover wins by technical fall.
Have a 26 y.o. that wrestled since he was a kid then went on to Labette, can only remember memories! Can certainly state one fact that is Wrestling DID Train him for life!

Now have a 7th grader but do not keep an Excel spreadsheet, videos, pictures. Had to start taking a few pics because didn't really have any. Now we have a few videos but in the long haul it will be the MEMORIES & FRIENDSHIPS of the WRESTLING FAMILIES we make through the JOURNEY.

No dont remember every match and the boy hasn't won a state title but something tells me that if he ever dose it will be something i will never forget.

Maize, KYG, Brawlers, Ark City, Derby, Legacy, Greater gold. Etc. All have TOP QUALITY, wrestlers. Do numbers really matter? Everyone has their run at State. Looking at the plaques on the Trophy, Brawlers, East Kansas, Ark City, Hard Knocks, etc. all had their run, over the past years. But UNTIL THIS YEAR IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE. WHY? Calling you out Sig.

OK you got me spexy….and a few others that were kind enough to send PM’s.

I honestly didn't intend to take away from YG’s accomplishment. They have a great thing going and it has been rewarded. I’m sure there are several of us out there that would like to have the coaches, kids and support they have.

With that being said, my intent was too simply to say there are several smaller teams with great wrestlers that just can’t touch the numbers they bring to the tournament. Numbers absolutely matter here and I think that is really self explanatory.

I still believe the majority of clubs don’t focus on the team title in its current format, maybe that is better wording than my original post.

I don’t know that I have all the answers but as some mentioned maybe you select a certain amount from each age group prior to the tournament and go from there. Or you just leave it as is and let all those teams Spexy talked about battle it out and some years may be different as clubs go through rebuilding phases. Looks like YG’s had 9 of their top 10 in 12U or above, so maybe as they age the tides change or they just reload…

Oh I do believe this talked about every year also either at the tournament, through out the season or here on the save the world talk forums...

I have an answer to your question. It has always been an issue. It's just that this year you guys are on the other end of it. In years past, everyone complained about The Brawlers having kids from Maize, Goddard, Andale, and the Wichita area. I know because I heard the dad's and coaches from the clubs these kids were from complain about it. Next came Paola/East Kansas. They had kids from all over District 1. They were formed to bring the State Championship to D1, and they did. Again, parents and coaches complained about it. I remember the guys in D2 saying, we ought to put some clubs together and show them what it is like. Well guess what? That is what happened the last couple of years with The Young Guns. The Young Guns have kids from Goddard, Maize, Wichita Northwest, Garden Plain, Bishop Carrol, Clearwater, and the Kansas City area, just to name a few. It's just your turn and people are going to complain. Something you'll have to live with, when your in a club with so many different towns in it. There will be another "Super Club" come along and then they will be the ones everybody complains about. Just part of the cycle.

I disagree with the term SUPERCLUB. How many high school teams are represented on Young Guns? How many wrestlers are on Young Guns by name only and not really practicing with them? Super Club or Super Collaboration. Hey I'm not upset with Young Guns winning state, but to say they developed this talent that's a real LOL.

At least 8 of the Top 25 Point scorers for Young Guns this year at state, wrestled for another club in the last year.

Much of the talent on the Young Guns state roster was developed in that room. I have followed many of those kids for years and the progress they have made by being in that room is remarkable. They may have kids that scored well at state that were on other teams last year but I doubt any of them were recruited most just chose to go there because they would have good quality practice partners. Steel sharpens Steel.

Correction, of the 61 kids that qualified for state only 5 of them wrestled for another team last year and 3 of those were former Goddard Club kids.

I have a count of at least 16 that came from other clubs. And I am not counting any former Goddard Kids.

Bunch of sore losers and cry babies!
My kid didn't make it to state but if I lived close enough to Goddard he would have. There is a reason why people are willing to drive from Maize and Wichita. When or 'if' you ever win state I will make sure to nitpick every single thing about your club. Bunch of Nancy cry babies. I don't like to use the word loser but you people are losers for making up excuses on why someone did a better job coaching then you did. I hope they win again next year just to make all you girls cry! Spoiled brats!

The statement was in the last year.

With the exception of the 5 I mentioned every wrestler that made it to state has been with KYG for at least 2 years or more.

Hey Bulldog, Did you just forget to post your name or are you hiding on purpose?

Fair enough Bruce. I guess what I'm debating is something totally different. In having a conversation with one of your coaches, he stated that 90% of the kids wrestling for the Young Guns would wrestle for Goddard. I have that number more around 75% which is still pretty good.

And I suppose this is a club of many schools not just Goddard. It is making many wrestlers better, and that is a good thing.

Without actually looking at each address for all of the wrestlers, I would have to agree that percentage is closer to 90%. I know firsthand that a majority of those kids live in the Goddard school district and will attend one of the two high schools.

I'm sticking with 75%. Wichita West, Maize South, Mulvane, Bishop Carrol, Wichita Northwest, Ferdonia, Andale, Maize, and Haysville are just a couple of the schools that will have wrestlers from Kansas Young Guns. That is 9 kids which puts you at 85%. Some of those I named have multiple siblings. If I take the 16 I stated the first time that would put you at about 74%. Like I said, that is still a pretty good percentage.

Track wrestling must be wrong....they show 8 out of top 25 were not with yg for the last 12 months.

Really what is the big deal. So Young Guns won the team title, so kids travel to wrestle in there room. Isn't the real thing to remember here is its the kids and not how many parents are mad there team didn't win. I will remember this year because my oldest son finally qualified for state after missing out for 9 years. Not who won the team title, not to take anything away from KYG congratulations coaches and kids. But my son was the star of the weekend for me even going two and BBQ not the team race.

Chris Schritter

As far as how many wrestle for Goddard High School... Of the 13 that were entered as High School Division for YG... 6 Wrestle for Goddard, 1 for Wichita West, 1 for Maize South, 1 for Wichita Northwest, 1 for Maize, 1 for Clearwater, and 2 for Mulvane. That is all according to Trackwrestling. If YG are developing these kids for all these other schools then I say congrats and great job. But if that is true then why did 2 of them wrestle for Hard Knox last year, 1 for Haysville, 2 for Maize...ect....

High schoolers wrestling for, whatever team it may be, move clubs. They are looking for partners. Living in the Wichita area/Kansas City area, gives them options. I would say 50% of HS wrestlers don't do kids state. So partners are hard to come by. The CORE of KYG are kids who WILL wrestle for Goddard or close by high schools. Every year things change. Clubs fold under, parents don't like the coach, partners are hard to come by, whatever the situation. No club is exempt to this, no matter where you live. Parents will put in there drive time, hoping to make their kid better. Will they wrestle for Goddard, NO, but will it push them to be better, on a high school level, YES. Now each kid that comes out of a practice room no matter where you live, at some point will have to wrestle your ex-team mate on a high school level,(JV or Varsity). As coaches this should be ALL our goals, putting our kids club kids on ANY varsity high school program.

Kansas,

I want to thank the KYG wrestlers, parents, coaches and supporters for all of your hard work and efforts. I also want to thank those of you with positive comments. You guys are great and I love working with you. I also want to thank ALL the other teams across the entire state for your hard work and efforts, because without ALL of us, then NONE of us could accomplish what we do.

It's been a great but challenging road. 5 years ago my best friend, coach Terry Lange and I started out with 12 wrestlers in my back yard wrestling room, a facility in which the majority of it we built ourselves. We still practice in this room from time to time and the memories are awesome.

None of this is about me, the parents, our coaches, etc....it's about the kids and that is what motivates us. My main focus IS NOT team titles, but it is something that can happen if the cards fall correctly.

Therefore, I want to congratulate the 40 of 60 KYG State placers. Of the 20 KYG kids that made the finals, 16 of them are enrolled in a Goddard School. Of the 40 of 60 that placed, over 70% are enrolled in a Goddard School. I state this because it appears that some people think our team is primarily composed of "out of town" or "far-far away" wrestlers.

I also want to thank Ryan Jilka, principal of the Goddard Elementary school that allows us to practice in his facility....Ryan is a great guy.


Thanks,

Max Fisher
KYG Head Coach
316-655-5750

Just a though not intended to change a thing. I have always thought the way kid state did it was odd as far as teem points. It would only make it more interesting if you had more than 1,2, or 3 teams with a chance to win it all. Glad I could get some of you fired up.

That Ferdonia kid lives in Clearwater.

Just to let everyone know, my two boys are indeed from Clearwater and one of them is a high schooler previously mentioned. We started wrestling for young guns 3 years ago when we indeed practice in a shed in the back of Coach Max's Yard. We went to Young guns because of the work ethic and standards that these coaches taught in the room. I can tell you personally that this was never intended to be a recruiting game in order to win a KIDS state title. It was understood in the beginning that the goal was to develop an awesome group of wrestlers. Although we do not live in Goddard, this group of parents and coaches have never batted an eye at coaching my son. They know that they are developing my kids for the Clearwater High School team and they don't care. They care about two things and two things only....Developing good
kids....and developing good wrestlers!! They teach that hard work, dedication, and determination pay off in the end both on and off the mat. They teach the kids to never give up! These coaches, parents, and kids are a truly amazing group. Anyone who wants to know why these kids have chosen to drive out of town to practice for this team needs to step inside their practice room...it doesn't take long to see why people love the Kansas Young Guns! Congrats to all the KYG coaches, wrestlers, and parents on all of their accomplishments this year as they all deserve it!!
Rylants

you can get to goddard in 20 to 25 minutes or less from any side of Wichita and most surrounding towns. we live in between goddard and maize, with bishop carrol within walking distance. my highschooler chose young guns because of the quality wrestling partners and top notch coaches. if you lived this close to an awesome club I bet you would choose what was best for your son too! how far is to far to travel to join a team without people thinking its unfair?

what if we did this. what if we had an elite club category and then just a regular club category for state. you would have to clarify at the beginning of the season which you are in or in maybe the young guns case they could have one in each. there is no perfect way to do this but maybe you select your top 20-30 kids that qualify for state for team points and in young guns case they could take the top 30 then the rest of the kids would go for the regular club points. might as well do it just like 4a high school in football. 2 seperate classes. now that would give the young guns a chance to win 2 seperate trophys and im sure there would be some complaints if that happened but hey life isnt fair sometimes and you just have to deal with the cards your dealt. so this is just and idea i came up with. have a good off season as im in full baseball mode right now and will see you all next fall.

Making another class is not the answer. That just waters it down.

beeson, man im just trying to help out lol. ok im just fine the way it is.

I was kinda suprised at no "roar" when they announced the state title. I have a small club but every time my kids won a match, my parents were loud. Kids club is about the family you grow up with. My best memories are time with my team/brothers. As kids won state titles from yg, you heard a couple of people cheer. Id rather place a few who know each other then win a title with strangers. Just my thoughts. Congrats to Young Guns anyhow.

Matt Blancarte

Best quote yet on the subject!

it would have been rude to roar every time a young gun won a match! they have a great team with alot of supporting coaches and parents!

Rude to cheer for your wrestlers accomplishments? I must not understand wrestling! Sorry for the confusion.

It would have been rude to keep "roaring" when you now you already won! Sorry for the confusion.

It would have been rude to keep "roaring" when you now you already won! Sorry for the confusion.

Seems to look like a lot of you are more concearned about this team title thing than the young guns are. while your complaining about them they are still training out in the old shed. maybe thats the difference in why they have so many good kids and you do not. like they say when your on top of things there are always somebody that wants what you have so they try and tear it down. change rules, call out kids, talk negative about you in every way. its ok cause we have one hell of a core group of young guns that will not be broken. we will continue to work hard and while you are worried about the kids state team championships trophy we are sitting back watching kids we helped wrestle in highschool and at the national level. put this subject to rest and worry about how you can make your club better not how you can attempt to tear another club apart.

Who started a thread intended to take away something we'll deserved by a bunch of hard working kids? I agree Bockover!!!! These kids almost felt like they were part of something wrong because of people acting like they should be ashamed of winning a team state title! Once again it all comes down to hard work and dedication!

Well said Scott! There will always be haters out there that will just be jealous of what "winners" do! Keep grinding Young Guns!

I personally don't care about people making "super teams" or whatever. All I know is it feeds our kids to work harder in practice so they don't get their butts kicked on Saturday. Congratulations Young Guns on the title and thanks for giving kids more of a reason to work hard.

TOBY EATON
JR. PANTHERS

620-899-1289