bumping up in weight at districts

Should a kid be able to bump up in weigh if they didn't make the weight they signed up for at districts???

I think yes if it is the first and only qualifier for USA KIDS state, it is not HS, Nationals, Worlds, - only my opinion

So can a kid bump down???

I thought they had to declare changes moving down or up at the seeding meeting which happens before weighins start - you may have to dive into the rules or ask your district director.

Bumping weights either way looks like a kid (parents) is running from competition. My 2 cents.

ESpecially when they don't even try to run it off and they have an hour and a half or more to do it .......

Correct me if I’m wrong, once the seeding meeting is complete , your weight is your weight. Prior to that you can (Dodge/run) from competition. Not right, but it’s up to the coaches/ parents. JUST MY 2 cents.

That’s exactly what I thought but they were bumping kids up left and right in D2.

I had a wrestlers parent call me Friday asking about bumping his son up to the next weight and I told them they either make the weight they signed up for or they don’t wrestle.

My boy along with hundreds of others were not told they would be allowing kids to bump up, gotta make the weight you signed up for. Why even have a seeding meeting if kids get seeded at one weight see who is in their bracket and run to the next weight. Smh. If a kid can't bump down after seeding meeting then they should not be able to bump up. Just my opinion.

Seeding meetings should have been on same day and time for all districts

Because?

Allowing the entries to be seen prior to the seeding meeting is fine, even though any mistakes would be, or should be, caught when we go down our list of entries prior to the seeding meeting. Seeding meeting should be the last opportunity for kids to decide what weight they are going for the state series. I understand all of the "we just want kids to wrestle" argument on bumping kids up a weight if they don't make it, but for the end of year State series, can we please do what this sport is great at, which is teach a life lesson: "Sorry buddy, if you don't make weight, you don't wrestle." Which is pretty similar to "sorry buddy, you didn't show up for work, so you are fired"......

100% AGREE

Spot on Doug! Where's the accountability??

Cradle to grave entitlement mentality in this country. I'm all about keeping kids out so we can see what potential they have in high school and beyond, but exploiting loopholes to prepare an easier path for them is no different than telling them "don't worry about getting a job, we'll give you free food, housing, and health care anyway"...........

Seriously? You don't see an advantage a district can have if they get to see where every other kid in the state is locked in to almost a full week before they themselves have to commit to a weight?

No I don't. Maybe some districts have more time or reason to worry about such things?

Now you are getting into the thought that people don't duck or change weights to avoid kids. I wish it weren't true, but lets not think for a minute that it doesn't happen. Kind of like 6 year olds don't cut weight. I wish that wasn't the case.

And as far time goes, 6 days is more than ample time for people to do these things.

As many questionable things that KSHSAA does, they don't have 3 regional brackets set and released a week before the 4th regional kids have to choose a weight to enter at.

Are you in D2?

Wow .... kids were able to jockey weight classes in some districts after kids in other districts were locked in and brackets released to the public? Surely not?

That, and AFTER the seeding meetings at districts, kids would not make weight on purpose, to move into what they deemed an easier bracket. Try changing weights the morning of regionals in HS, I don't believe you'll be allowed to do it.

Before long there will be no rules.........

My question, is this allowed at State?....NOPE....you don't make weight, you don't wrestle. End of season. once your locked in, your locked in.....no changes. You have the option to make ANY changes up the day before seeding. If parents can't monitor their kids weight during that time and do the right thing, then it's on them.
Time to stop accommodating the lazy because they can't control themselves. been plenty of time all season to decide this. Our plan was to wrestle 140 until subs then drop to 130, but he couldn't hold 130 so we stayed at 140. Doing the right thing..

We have become soft

Letting kids move up a weight after seeding meeting is ridiculous. A huge part of wrestling is about nutrition and maintaining weight. Maybe a first year novice tournament but not a State qualifier.

If you are after a State medal then work for it. If you need to dodge brackets then did you really accomplish wrestling growth.

It goes back to club directors and coaches. Stop allowing your kids to have it easy. When they get to the next stage they will quit because it is too hard. Stop babying kids to keep them out. High school coaches would appreciate hard workers over kids medal winners every day of the week.

Districts all held same weekend.

Have a non-team or club affiliated member of district leadership have only wrestler tourney entry visibility across all districts.

Change District dates to Sundays.
weigh-in's Saturday

Blind wrestler List
Blind matrix.

Allow bump up from registered weight at weigh in. kids grow...who knew.

Don't release list until all wrestlers that are entered have weighed

Allow coaches a few hours for seeding preparation to eval head to heads etc...


Are the districts able to pull data that shows
initial registered weight, against invoice changes, vs actual weight wrestled?
Would be interesting to see how much weight class jumping up and down there truly is.

I will agree with everything with the exception of maintaining weight. This shouldn't be focal point. This is highlighting one of the most negative areas sited by the general public about our sport...cutting weight. If a kid can't make weight and bumps up, who cares? If they are dodging opponents, WHO CARES, it will ultimately work against them but they darn sure aren't hurting anyone else. After qualifying I am adamantly for competing at the same weight as districts to maintain order but who cares what weight anyone wrestles at districts? You should worry only about yourself and no one else.

Is this not America?? Transparency should be embraced. WHO CARES HOW MUCH WEIGHT CLASS JUMPING THERE IS??? IF YOU DO, WHY??

The key was maintaining not cutting. I am a parent that didn’t cut my sons weight. I refused to have him lose weight to win matches.

Matter of fact my son went from 96lbs last year to 134 lbs this year. He weighs between 128 -131 on any giving Monday. So he went 132 for middle school. He was small for the middle school state tourney but he didn’t cut weight. He will have 4 years of it starting freshman year.

I consider maintaining weight or losing weight by eating healthy and exercising. Not by starving and sweat boxes.

Not even sure why we have seeding meetings. Go based off of the trackwrestling ranking. That's how it ends up being set up most the time anyways. Upsets happen and will happen and let the kids wrestle through it. The only thing I can think of is maybe setting the bracket if there is more than 1 kid from a club, then TRY and put them on opposite sides of the bracket.
The best will come out on top anyways at the end.

This is absurd. We have bylaws that clearly state that once the seeding meeting starts, no changes or additions are allowed.

Article II Qualifying State Tournaments
(3) SEEDING MEETINGS - At the seeding meeting, weight or age corrections or scratches may be
made in all age groups, including walk-on wrestlers, prior to the start of seeding the wrestlers
without requiring a penalty fee. Additional entries may be made in writing one hour prior to
the published start time of the seeding meeting, but any such entrant must pay a penalty fee.
Once the seeding starts, no changes or additions will be allowed except in the case of clerical
errors by the tournament director.

Page 25 of 26 Approved October 8, 2017



The last line states it all. No one can move or be added to any weight class after the seeding meeting. So if that was allowed in District 2 by District leadership, they are in violation of the Qualifying State Tournament bylaws that are mentioned above.

The seeding meeting in my opinion isn’t a problem but having kids show up to weigh ins over weight and getting bumped up to the next weight class is a joke.

The District leadership is not in violation however the District Director may be. The two Assistant Directors are very honorable and capable individuals.

At the October 2016 State Body Meeting, the body approved the following: "Eliminate the requirement that each District establish a deadline prior to the seeding meeting after which no additional entries shall be made."

Admittedly, the District Director may have played played fast and loose with his interpretation of the rule, however the goal of the Director is to promote wrestling, not weight cutting.

I don't really care about the numbers, other then for the curiosity of it, seems everyone is up in arms about it. I just find it interesting if the scenario that everyone describes is as rampant as a few think.

My original suggestions were simply to offer a possible remedy for what people are up in arms about trying to manipulate brackets, weights and dodging, due to the way things currently are.


I don't care one way or the other, wrestle the kids at what they spent the year wrestling if possible.




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[quote=RichardD "Eliminate the requirement that each District establish a deadline prior to the seeding meeting after which no additional entries shall be made."

Admittedly, the District Director may have played played fast and loose with his interpretation of the rule, however the goal of the Director is to promote wrestling, not weight cutting.
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The key word is "prior" to seeding meeting starting. And bumping wrestlers up in weight in a state series is promoting that a wrestler parent or coach don't have to follow the by laws.

Will is completely right. Who cares. The only ones who really care are the ones who's kid now has a harder weight class. Sorry, it happens.

Kids move weights for a number of reasons, who are we to decide they are wrong. With the way we do weigh ins in Kansas, maybe some of these kids have never really made weight, and now their parents see they are not going to..... Learned along time ago, you should wrestle the weight that is right for you.

And, on the rules. Do your seeding meeting after Friday night weigh ins. No problem.

The problem is you got kids that were told they have to make the weight you signed up for or don't wrestle. Then come to find out kids were being allowed to bump up. I mean rules are rules they should apply to everyone.

That is a different issue. Rules should be the same for everyone.

Vince:

The real issue is in March 2015 you had a wrestler attempting to change weight classifications after the deadline, which at that time was not allowed. Now you have the opportunity to complain. That was three (3) years ago!

What I do know is your coach did not inform you "they have to make the weight you signed up for or don't wrestle." In District 2, the same rules did apply to everyone. How Districts 1, 3 and 4 run their weigh-in does not concern me!

This matter was brought up and discussed at the seeding meeting. All in attendance at the seeding meeting were aware the practice would be allowed. Were you in attendance at the seeding meeting?

I am in complete agreement with Mr. Eck, Davis and Dietrich and believe a child should make weight. My children always made weight or did not compete.

I have witnessed too many overzealous parents sign there children up for a weight classification the child cannot make and hope that by starving and running the child, the wrestler will make weight.

Do I want to be a party to what today may be considered a form of child abuse or take the responsible action and allow the child to compete and bump up a weight classification. I have witnessed parents at the weigh-in, after the child has not made weight, force the child to run, take laxatives, induce vomiting, have the child wear thermal undergarments and vinyl warm ups under the sweat pants and shirt, and in two (2) instances the parent(s) tested all the scales in the room to find the "light" scale. I told a parent to get off the scales and received a telephone call from the team coach berating me, which if you know me, does not set well, unless of course it is from my very lovely wife!

Next year I will propose a Friday afternoon weigh-in, seed the tournament on Friday evening after weigh-in, and wrestle on Saturday.

Vince:

The purpose of your complaint became much clearer after viewing the 12U 120 lb. bracket.

The Friday afternoon weigh in, with seeding AFTER weigh ins, will take care of the problem of kids running up to an "easier" weight because they know who is at each weight.

I still say we tell them to make weight or don't wrestle. Mom and Dad will stop pushing them to weights they can NOT make, if we scratch them one time. It's called tough love. And we don't hand enough of it out nowadays.....