High School Division Got VOTED DOWN

I have done some digging and found out some very disturbing news. District 1 voted on adding the high school kids, 42-4 against letting them enter late. District 2 was told this had already been passed and there was no vote. District 3 was told all other districts were on board and it passed in D3. District 4 voted it down 36-2.

BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU ARE TELLING LIES. YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU WANT NO MATTER WHAT THE VOTE IS. YOU ARE MAKING YOUR OWN RULES. IT LOOKS LIKE THE ENTIRE BOARD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED NEXT YEAR. FIND SUITABLE REPLACEMENTS, THESE GUYS SHOULD BE EASY TO GET RID OF. VOTE FOR WHOEVER IS NOT IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW. SHAME ON THE ENTIRE BOARD.

if true, this is really disturbing. how is this possible? who are the district 1 voters? was it district 1 decision or the boards?

D1 voted against it.....don't throw us under the bus!!

Huh?

District 1 & 4 voted against the decision to allow late entries. Apparently a miscommunication in D 2 & D 3.

got you, thanks!

The District State Director and his/her two Assistant State Directors will determine the number of qualifiers from Sub District to District. Each District will have this responsibility.

This Bylaw allows each District to autonomously decide how to advance wrestlers to Districts. Two districts simply ruled it was not necessary to have a qualifier for districts. The district that REALLY didn't need any subdistricts elected to do so as the Director chose to leave the process up to a vote. District 2's Director and Assistant Directors made a decision without a vote. District 3 created a solution and it was passed by vote. District 1 went to a vote and decided to maintain the sub district qualifying process.

Bylaws can be changed. If you have issues please submit your suggestions per the process outlined in the Bylaws.

See RULES tab and Select Kids Bylaws

I promise no one on the board was trying to harm any wrestler or favor another. Consider: Cost of travel, low number of participants, high number of scratches in this Division, and the time wasted. The fiscally responsible decision is to eliminate HS subs.

So how is this working? I have been hearing rumors and I think we all need clarification on what is going on here with the high school division especially since there are no brackets up yet for high school subs. I have heard dozens of different things from different people. Please clarify so we can be honest with the kids because they deserve to know exactly how this is all going to work.
Thanks

Richard can correct me if I’m wrong.

As I understand it, any HS wrestlers that wish to wrestle Subs AND weighs in on Friday will be bracketed by the tournament director. They do not have to wrestle Subs if they choose not to. All HS wrestlers will automatically advance to Districts whether they wrestle Subs or not. The official seeding meeting for the HS division will happen the morning of Districts.

They don't even have to weigh in for subs, but they do have to pay their $20 for subs. Then just show up at Districts.

Why are there high school sub district brackets?

D1 and D3 are wrestling at subs and 2 and 4 are not. Very weird.

Junior Member

Registered: 03/10/13
Posts: 26 Why was sub district cancelled for high school in D2? To save money? Less Travel? Not enough Kids? Here are some facts as I read them....

1. There are 32 total brackets that were to be wrestled in D2 High school division this weekend. 16 of those are big enough brackets that kids would be eliminated. That's 50% of Brackets

2. In 8U there are 36 total brackets with 16 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 44.4% of Brackets

3. In 10u there are 40 brackets with 16 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 40% of Brackets.

4. In 12U there are 42 brackets with 13 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 30.9% of Brackets.

5. In 14U there are 46 brackets with 19 big enough for kids to be eliminated. That's 41.3% of brackets.

Why the special treatment for High School Kids. The rest of us are hard working parents that could use a financial saving of not going to SUBS.

I think only 13% of the HS brackets in District 4 have more than 4 guys entered. Some zero or one. The decision makes sense there.

And yet they are not one of the two that are going with the decision.

Which is a bummer for those guys. Travel for no reason.

What about all the other divisions that are traveling for small brackets.... My big question is why special treatment for High School Kids? I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, just wondering why it's not across the board rule. Especially in D2 where the numbers indicate that High School Division has a higher percentage of brackets with more than 4 kids.

The timing of such a decision was bad. This should have been in at the fall state body meeting - not 1 week before a qualifying tournament series - PERIOD - That is my opinion. Personally, I liked it when there was a 16 & under division. The high school division was created for a few reasons - 1 was to increase numbers, secondly it was to give a chance/opportunity, bragging rights, to the various high school classifications to have a crack at each other after the KSHSAA state series. I am not sure what the wording in the USWKS qualifying series is exactly. But - subdistricts has always been the qualifier for districts and the districts to qualify for state. Even if their was 1 kid in a weight in the past at subdistricts - he weighed in, collected his medal, went on and wrestled in the districts and moved from there to state.

my apologies, I misspoke. 1 & 4 are having subs this weekend. 2 & 3 are bypassing subs for high school.

I agree with a decision like this being prompted a week or two before subs being absolutely in foul taste. The sad thing is most parents have not been informed of these decision unless of course they are following this forum. Promoting Kansas wrestling does not involve implementing judgement calls midstream through the season that affect the athlete/parents schedule ie) State Basketball. It only stirs turmoil among us. As mention prior,this should have been proposed and voted on at the fall state body meeting!!!
Shannon Peters

Here is the reason each district has to have the autonomy to make their own decision:

District entries:
District 1 - 1197
District 2 - 827
District 3 - 914
District 4 - 754

This is a total of 3,692.

I don’t know that there is a disagreement that each district is different and potentially needs to be dealt with different but I think the real issue is that it appears this decision was made without the consideration of the STATE executive council. You know the folks that represent the entire USAWKS.

I really don't need any cut and paste job from the by-laws, district entry numbers, or mileage charts depicting the distance and cost from the Colorado border to Kansas City (or even from Kansas City to Pittsburg). For my purposes, just assure me that when my son shows up ready to wrestle on Saturday, others listed in the bracket will be there as well. We are looking forward to a great day of wrestling. If this is not the case, he has a lot of firewood to split that day.

Sub-District III East
Junction City
High School Division
182 weight class

Oops! Sorry I forgot to add my name.

Brad Kirmer
Emporia, KS

I assure you this was not the case. There has been and will continue to be ongoing discussion. There is need for the bylaws to be more objective to provide greater clarity and perhaps continuity but at this time members of the USAWKS Kids Executive Board were keenly aware of the Bylaw in question. Decisions have been made. Plans are now in place. Everyone knows what the current situation is so lets just wrestle the next three weeks. At that time we can discuss and there is opportunity for all of the membership to weigh in with mail and/or email. While the Forum is great for open discussion and the percolating of ideas it is not where policy is going to be made nor where we can vote.

I have not seen anything official from USAWKS or the District Reps. I have heard rumors on and away from this talk forum but nothing official....

There are posts on the Kids forum. Richard Salyer, Joe Knecht, and I have posted. We are on the Kids Executive Council.

Not very clear, a lot of back and forth talk... Just saying

Here is the list of people seems like people have never heard of.

http://www.usawks.org/page/show/926525-board-of-directors

D3 are wrestling HS at subs.

Yes I have emailed D2 director with no response. I heard from a coach HS can wrestle at D2 subs and get a better seed at Districts as opposed to those who do not wrestle at subs

You have certainly not emailed me. I have responded to every email I have received over this matter. I do not consider a PM from a message board signed by a pseudonym to be an official request for anything.

RichardDSalyer@sbcglobal.net

James Cook - I thought I understood that District 3 for the HS Division was an "open tournament" and not the qualifier to go on to District. High School Division (for District 3) wasn't required to wrestle until District @ McPherson.

Is that NOT correct???


Leann Grater

You are correct!!

Very disappointed to see District tourney scheduled the same time as NCAA's in OKC. I would just like to propose that those of you who might have a say consider that when you schedule next year. My son is new to KS and we had to make a choice between wrestling Districts and therefore State, and attending the NCAA's. He signed up for Subs but will scratch as it's not fair to possibly keep another wrestler out of Districts when he won't be able to wrestle it. Darn shame, this is the first year he will forgo USA State Folkstyle.

We would never get them wrestled if we scheduled around NCAA, NAIA, Conference wrestling, High School State. DVR

They would if state was wrestled this weekend. May need to look at shorting the season.

Josh Parker

Wait you want to cut a full 3 weeks off the current kids wrestling season, just so a couple of kids can go watch the NCAAs?

Ok well that would push the Kids State tournament to this weekend which means District tournaments would be on the same weekend as High School State, and Sub-Distrcts would be the weekend of High School Regionals. Perhaps we should just finish the season the 2nd weekend in February. That would amount to 6-7 regular tournaments and then straight into State qualifying. I guess its not important for the kids to watch their high school counterparts and skip right over to attending the NCAA tournament, which most kids federation level competitors in Kansas do not do regardless of when they are held.

And this is to say nothing of the notion of "get the kids more mat time" which is a lot more difficult if we shorten the season as you propose.

Easy solution...get rid of subs all together, Districts the weekend after High School State, get rid of High School Division if the numbers continue to be poor, Kids State Two Weeks after High School State. Get to Freestyle/Greco.

Chad, I suggested getting rid of subs several years ago. BUT, doing so would require one or more of the following to occur in order to be accomplished...

1. Re-districting in order to get a more even distribution of competitors.
2. The elimination of the high school/16U division (which if done should include adding the 6U division)
3.The split of the district tournament between weekends and possibly host clubs.

All that said, I would bet you money, marbles or chalk that if the Kids State date is moved up, you will have clubs hosting folkstyle invitationals after State and most likely more tournaments earlier in the Fall.
And none of this will effect FS/GR numbers or participation!

Re-Districting is a no brainer...this has needed to happen for some time now.

High School Division is not accomplishing what was wanted anyway.

We can find a way to make the District Tournament one day and hold everybody.

Unfortunately you are correct about it effecting FS/GR numbers, but at least those wanting to can get at it earlier.

"Beeson
Loc: Arkansas City
Easy solution...get rid of subs all together, Districts the weekend after High School State, get rid of High School Division if the numbers continue to be poor, Kids State Two Weeks after High School State. Get to Freestyle/Greco."

Best idea yet. I concur. I'm even in favor of dropping HS division regardless.

I am in favor of removing sub-districts and moving everything up a week or two. This will allow for more time for freestyle/Greco and get the state series away from spring break and D1's.

Id see who's kids are going to Rocky Mountain Nationals and it will probably give you a good idea of why it was voted on and changed. We make decisions every week on what tournaments to go to and not, some want cake and pie (Kansas State and Rocky Mtn). I guess they still are keeping it an "open tournament" so its still good for the JV kids. Created alot of confusion last minute

Is there any way to look back to when kids state had 16U div? Were the #'s any better, did 16U provide good competition?