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6A rankings!
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 11/03/15 06:33 PM
Thanks finally we have something to whine about...haha
Posted By: JCook
Re: 6A rankings! - 11/03/15 07:13 PM
I have some good cheeze!!!
Posted By: JocoWrassler
Re: 6A rankings! - 11/04/15 04:10 AM
What happened to Elias of Wichita West?
Posted By: Beeson
Re: 6A rankings! - 11/04/15 09:32 AM
Moved to either Montana or Wyoming...I cant remember which.
Posted By: JocoWrassler
Re: 6A rankings! - 11/08/15 02:43 PM
Chief do you think Garden City will finish the 4-peat? Or will Olathe North or someone else in 6a have enough firepower to stop them?
IMO, Garden is in the drivers seat. If ON hits on all cylinders, they have a real shot. There are three or four others that are sleepers but Garden City is in line for that coveted 4-peat.
Beware of Manhattan and the Ole mat coach!
6A rankings should be up later tonight or tomorrow morning...
These are not easy...
Posted By: CoachVincent
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/09/15 01:34 PM
182 got shook up a little last night #5 Klepper BVN beat #2 Middleton ONW last night by decision in OT
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/09/15 02:10 PM
Campus won 5 straight duals, including Andover, and fell from Rankings. Andover remains ranked.
Posted By: my3sons
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/09/15 02:25 PM
Chief ask for results of that tournament in a post but nobody replied. Also duals and bracket tournaments are different as far as scoring for team rankings.
Campus won 5 straight duals, including Andover, and fell from Rankings. Andover remains ranked.
They are not dual team rankings. Tournament scoring is much different.
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/10/15 03:40 PM
Also won the only tournament we have been in. Just curious how CHS fell from rankings.
Also won the only tournament we have been in. Just curious how CHS fell from rankings.
The class rankings are strictly a 6A tournament scenario. Each weight class is ranked six wrestlers deep and points are awarded for that placement. Additional points are awarded for non-ranked wrestlers that will likely still contribute points in the state tournament. Remember that each tournament leading up to the state tournament has a different dynamic, due to the level of competition. The specific area of focus can be found with criteria within each weight class. If a wrestler has criteria over a higher ranked wrestler, please forward that information to me or post on that particular thread.
As always, you can PM me or call my cell number to discuss details.
Thanks for the post!
Chief
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/11/15 07:56 PM
Thank you for clarifying!
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/13/15 08:14 PM
Deer Creek High School Invitational Results for Campus
-Deer Creek, OK (2nd place Team)
106 - Kai Rhea (10-2) placed 4th
113 - Boo Dryden (11-0) placed 1st
120 - Easton Schroeder (11-2) placed 5th
126 - Gregory Bentley (11-1) placed 2nd
132 - Brycen Schroeder (8-5) placed 6th
132 - Luke Bowen (3-4) placed 8th
138 - Brayden Black (10-1) placed 1st
145 - Blake Dickey (6-5) placed 9th
152 - Donavan Hutchins (6-4) placed 9th
152 - Dakota Mitchell (3-4) placed 11th
160 - Austin Larkin (2-4) placed 13th
182 - Zach Bowen (10-1) placed 1st
195 - Abel Duran (9-2) placed 2nd
220 - Ryan Bray (7-5) placed 5th
285 - Parker Hartley (8-4) placed 5th
Posted By: MamaBlack
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/16/15 02:37 AM
138- Brayden Black is actually 11-1, isn't he?
Loss vs Andover (0-1)
1st at Campus Invitational (4-1)
Win at Hutchinson (5-1)
1st at Deer Creek Tournament (11-1)
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/16/15 12:39 PM
138- Brayden Black is actually 11-1, isn't he?
Loss vs Andover (0-1)
1st at Campus Invitational (4-1)
Win at Hutchinson (5-1)
1st at Deer Creek Tournament (11-1)
I copied those results from the Deer Creek Inv. track wrestling results page. Didn't notice that, I believe you are correct.
Posted By: tgrandon
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/17/15 01:13 PM
Noticed that at 160 you have 2 wrestlers ranked from same school?
Noticed that at 160 you have 2 wrestlers ranked from same school?
Those guys are switching weights and I was reaching for another rankable guy there...
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/17/15 01:59 PM
So why not rank them at their respective weights? There are 32 6A teams im guessing at least 30 have 160 pounders.
So why not rank them at their respective weights? There are 32 6A teams im guessing at least 30 have 160 pounders.
Feel free to nominate one.
Posted By: MacRasslin
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/17/15 05:27 PM
where is Dylan Servis from Dodge?
where is Dylan Servis from Dodge?
Football injury
Posted By: wrestling67
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/21/15 03:21 AM
I believe this would qualify as a Quality WIN for Campus and move them into proper rankings! Campus Won the Bishop Carroll Tournament!
The following teams were there.
Wichita Bishop Carroll, Wichita Heights,
Wichita Northwest, Wichita South,
Wichita Southeast, Wichita West,
Andale, Campus,
Newton, Winfield,
Maize South, Mulvane,
Salina South
I believe this would qualify as a Quality WIN for Campus and move them into proper rankings! Campus Won the Bishop Carroll Tournament!
The following teams were there.
Wichita Bishop Carroll, Wichita Heights,
Wichita Northwest, Wichita South,
Wichita Southeast, Wichita West,
Andale, Campus,
Newton, Winfield,
Maize South, Mulvane,
Salina South
Mel, Congrats on the great start for the Colts!
I need you to reason with me here about the 6A rankings...
1. Look at the 6A rankings.
2. Post here or call me about any criteria that would move up a Colt in the rankings.
Let's just take WNW as an example. They placed 2nd behind your team by a large margin. They currently have 6 ranked 6A guys, HC has 3. At 113, 120 and 126, is there any criteria to move those three up? I see that Bowen had a strong win over Murphy and he is definitely on the radar at 138. I also hear that Brycen was up in that 132 semi when the DQ happened? Let me know on that. Do any of the other 5 placers you had at this tournament have any criteria to move them up?I would be glad to walk through every weight in 6A with you. Call me at 913-484-3624.
Clearly the Colts are on the move and I will continue to keep a close eye on any match that will give them criteria to ascend in the rankings!
Thanks for the post,
Chief
Posted By: Hex
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/21/15 04:54 PM
Where is Sprague on the rankings? 220 seems to have been shaken up a bit (unranked Sprague winning it, No3 Easterwood taking 2nd, and No1 Johnson taking 4th..?)
Posted By: Keopke
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/21/15 05:02 PM
Everyone just needs to let chief do what chief does. He will get it figured out!
Where is Sprague on the rankings? 220 seems to have been shaken up a bit (unranked Sprague winning it, No3 Easterwood taking 2nd, and No1 Johnson taking 4th..?)
Yes! 220 is a changin...
Posted By: Hex
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/21/15 05:04 PM
Wait, he was on it at one point. What happened? Lackluster performances?
Wait, he was on it at one point. What happened? Lackluster performances?
Yes, he started slow on opening weekend and the weight class got crowded. He cleared that up a bit on Saturday.
Chief your power works in many ways. Quote from Andrew this weekend "they dropped me from the rankings! I go out and beat the kid they thought was number one.
Posted By: wrestling67
Re: 6A rankings! - 12/22/15 02:29 AM
Eric,
You have to look at the Big picture. If the colts don't deserve to be ranked then neither does the teams they beat in the tournament. Remember it is also a TEAM tournament. Every point counts as does every win. I have seen teams Win tournaments in the past with almost everyone placing out the back side. It doesn't always work in your favor to go by how many are ranked individually. You previously made the statement that its team scoring in tournaments not dual tournaments.
Eric,
You have to look at the Big picture.
The Big picture is the 6A state tournament.
If the colts don't deserve to be ranked then neither does the teams they beat in the tournament.
That makes zero sense. You had six guys place at that tournament that are not likely to place at the 6A state tournament. The other teams champions will likely place very high at state. You get that part, right?
I have seen teams Win tournaments in the past with almost everyone placing out the back side. It doesn't always work in your favor to go by how many are ranked individually. You previously made the statement that its team scoring in tournaments not dual tournaments.
I have ranked the weights six deep. Those ranked third through sixth have "placed out the back side". At the end of the tournament, those wrestlers that have placed, score points for their placing. So you see, it actually DOES work in my favor to go by how many wrestlers are ranked individually. You get the team scoring part, right?
Having said all that, the Colts certainly have the talent to rise up as the season goes on. It would not surprise me if they do place much higher as a team at state. It's just as of last weeks ranking, they had no direct criteria to move them higher.
So, think this through. The top six placers at state score the majority of points for their team. I also add additional points for non placers that will likely score. Look at each weight class and post on this thread, or call me if you have any criteria that would change the rankings.
Chief your power works in many ways. Quote from Andrew this weekend "they dropped me from the rankings! I go out and beat the kid they thought was number one.
That's awesome. Congrats to Andrew!
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 03:33 PM
How do you know they aren't likely to place? They are currently winning. You had 2 guys at the same school ranked in the same Weight. That is super biased. Can you post your criteria? All I see is "well this guy would PROBABLY place higher, can we rank kids on what they are currently doing and not what they have done in years past? At one point in some Kansas rankings, I saw losing records... I'm sure they are over .500 now, however.... You get my point.
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 03:38 PM
No matter how you sound it out, I do not understand how you can say that WNW and WSo. should be ranked higher than CHS. Did they not have their varsity lineups wrestling at Carroll? Are those kids just going to stop holding back at state? I don't know what coach is telling their kids to hold back until state.
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 03:43 PM
How do you know they aren't likely to place? They are currently winning. You had 2 guys at the same school ranked in the same Weight. That is super biased. Can you post your criteria? All I see is "well this guy would PROBABLY place higher, can we rank kids on what they are currently doing and not what they have done in years past? At one point in some Kansas rankings, I saw losing records... I'm sure they are over .500 now, however.... You get my point.
How about you give us the weights you think he has wrong with them corrected and reasons why the corrections.
I may not always agree with the Chief, but his though processes are typically pretty sound. If someone you are challenging about has beat one of the ranked kids, lets hear that and when, or if that same kids beat a kid that beat a ranked kid again another example of back up or documentation if you will.
I know there kid ranked on there that has lost several matches, but to some very tough out of state kids.
Quit throwing darts and state your case for the kid(s) in question, my bet is you don't have one therefore you talk in generalities.
Disclaimer: this is not the Chief or directed by the Chief I somewhat still dislike his thoughts on a few topics. this post was not paid for any the Chief, although I will accept anything he is willing to throw may way.
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 03:58 PM
Look up the Carroll team results, case and point. Northwest and South were beaten badly. They should be ranked behind CHS. I do not need to go to deep into the brackets to realize it doesn't make sense. I am just curious what the criteria is, Seems like a guess. I am not attacking anyone, I am looking for actual clarification.
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 04:03 PM
132- Brycen Shroeder placed higher than Brock. ... How about that for one.
How do you know they aren't likely to place? They are currently winning. You had 2 guys at the same school ranked in the same Weight. That is super biased. Can you post your criteria? All I see is "well this guy would PROBABLY place higher, can we rank kids on what they are currently doing and not what they have done in years past? At one point in some Kansas rankings, I saw losing records... I'm sure they are over .500 now, however.... You get my point.
How about you give us the weights you think he has wrong with them corrected and reasons why the corrections.
I may not always agree with the Chief, but his though processes are typically pretty sound. If someone you are challenging about has beat one of the ranked kids, lets hear that and when, or if that same kids beat a kid that beat a ranked kid again another example of back up or documentation if you will.
I know there kid ranked on there that has lost several matches, but to some very tough out of state kids.
Quit throwing darts and state your case for the kid(s) in question, my bet is you don't have one therefore you talk in generalities.
Disclaimer: this is not the Chief or directed by the Chief I somewhat still dislike his thoughts on a few topics. this post was not paid for any the Chief, although I will accept anything he is willing to throw may way.
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 04:15 PM
Weekend tournament have little to no relevance in State Tournament finishes.
Case in point: Andale has finsihed behind us (Buhler) in the Pratt tournament in team points.
Will that be the case in state, more than likely not. they have 3-4 kids that will more than likely collect alot of points at state.
Meaning that the rest of their roster might be weak or even open and we (Buhler) had collected alot of points at that tournament that we wouldn't get at state.
I am pretty sure that the formula for state was posted.
Average weekend results, even with same class teams there are irrelevant because eveyone is earning points at those tournaments, not just the ones that qualify for state.
Why is that hard to understand?
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 04:22 PM
132- Brycen Shroeder placed higher than Brock. ... How about that for one.
How do you know they aren't likely to place? They are currently winning. You had 2 guys at the same school ranked in the same Weight. That is super biased. Can you post your criteria? All I see is "well this guy would PROBABLY place higher, can we rank kids on what they are currently doing and not what they have done in years past? At one point in some Kansas rankings, I saw losing records... I'm sure they are over .500 now, however.... You get my point.
How about you give us the weights you think he has wrong with them corrected and reasons why the corrections.
I may not always agree with the Chief, but his though processes are typically pretty sound. If someone you are challenging about has beat one of the ranked kids, lets hear that and when, or if that same kids beat a kid that beat a ranked kid again another example of back up or documentation if you will.
I know there kid ranked on there that has lost several matches, but to some very tough out of state kids.
Quit throwing darts and state your case for the kid(s) in question, my bet is you don't have one therefore you talk in generalities.
Disclaimer: this is not the Chief or directed by the Chief I somewhat still dislike his thoughts on a few topics. this post was not paid for any the Chief, although I will accept anything he is willing to throw may way.
I would agree with you that would change both the team and the individual rankings, if they would have wrestled each other. Smith getting DQ'd and basically giving the HC kid a free pass to the finals.
It isn't always about the finish, it is about the head to head.
Look up the Carroll team results, case and point. Northwest and South were beaten badly. They should be ranked behind CHS. I do not need to go to deep into the brackets to realize it doesn't make sense. I am just curious what the criteria is, Seems like a guess. I am not attacking anyone, I am looking for actual clarification.
Clearly, with all due respect, you still have a fundamental misunderstanding of the class rankings. If you would like to call me at 913-484-3624, I would be glad to talk about every single weight. Let me try to explain once again, using four of the weights at the BC tournament...
106 - The Campus 106 placed 2nd and scored 16 points. He is currently not ranked in 6A. He has lost to Nippert and Reling who are also not ranked in 6A. Now to his credit, both of those guys are pretty tough and 106 is always up for grabs with all of the young talent. Having said this, I cannot currently award many points to him for the Class 6A tournament ranking. So... those 16 points go to about 2 points at state. The current rankings are forced to look in the rear view mirror at current criteria. I hope he places at state! I have no personal agenda here. Go Kai!
160 - The Campus 160 took 2nd and scored 20 points. He lost to a tough WH guy in the finals. He has also lost to two unranked wrestlers from MUL and HAY. He has not yet achieved criteria to rank him in 6A. So... those 20 points would go to 2-4 points at state. Once again, I wish Kevin the best! That weight is actually wide open and if he places high, I would not be surprised.
There are 5 or 6 other weights at that tournament that I can explain the same scenario at state.
Now let's look at WNW...
120 - The WNW 120 pounder took 1st and scored 18 points due to TWO byes that he got in the bracket. He is currently ranked 2nd in 6A but may end up 1st after this weekend. So, those 18 points stay there at 6A state. Possibly 20-24 points.
132 - The WNW 132 pounder placed 3rd and scored 15 points. You referenced him in another post as placing lower that the Campus guy at this weight. Brock and Brycen did not wrestle at this event, as you know? Brycen lost to Kasitz 11-0 in the finals. Brock lost to Kasitz 6-2 and is a returning state finalist. He is currently ranked 2nd at state. At that placing, he would score 15-20 points.
I could go on at 152, 170, 220 and 285 to show that the WNW points will stay high at the state tournament, based on current known criteria.
Now.... If you cannot see what is going on here, please call me OR have Mel Miller call me. I would be glad to further explain.
Whew...
Posted By: JCook
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 06:48 PM
If you are going to call someone out. Please add your name to your posts. It is easy and it is an auto thing.
That's just the way it is!
Smith getting DQ'd and basically giving the HC kid a free pass to the finals.
Just to clarify, that was no free pass to the finals. The Campus kid was up and about to win the match when Smith lost his cool and got DQ'd.
As a reminder to all of our 6A fans, here is the 6A Regional in Dodge City this year.
#1 Garden City
#3 Wichita Northwest
#5 Dodge City
#6 Wichita South
#7 Derby
#8 Campus
#10 Hutchinson
Wichita West
Four at each weight advance to state. Do the math...
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 08:53 PM
Smith getting DQ'd and basically giving the HC kid a free pass to the finals.
Just to clarify, that was no free pass to the finals. The Campus kid was up and about to win the match when Smith lost his cool and got DQ'd.
Roger that, again things are always as they seem.
My apologies.
Posted By: Wells
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/06/16 10:39 PM
Someone has a little more pull at placing their schools with KSHAA, cause it's not a distance thing!
Posted By: BigPin22
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/07/16 03:13 PM
I think you have to clarify that at least 50 times a year! You should probably just include that in every updated ranking with a disclaimer at the bottom. lol
Also won the only tournament we have been in. Just curious how CHS fell from rankings.
The class rankings are strictly a 6A tournament scenario. Each weight class is ranked six wrestlers deep and points are awarded for that placement. Additional points are awarded for non-ranked wrestlers that will likely still contribute points in the state tournament. Remember that each tournament leading up to the state tournament has a different dynamic, due to the level of competition. The specific area of focus can be found with criteria within each weight class. If a wrestler has criteria over a higher ranked wrestler, please forward that information to me or post on that particular thread.
As always, you can PM me or call my cell number to discuss details.
Thanks for the post!
Chief
Posted By: RJW1
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/07/16 03:41 PM
Crickets. . .
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/07/16 03:52 PM
Posted By: Spexy
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/08/16 12:56 AM
Does distance matter? Or is it who is in your regional?
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/12/16 04:25 PM
Curious to see the rankings updated now. We beat W. South in another tournament. Including a win over #1 at 113.
Posted By: RJW1
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/12/16 04:45 PM
Curious to see the rankings updated now. We beat W. South in another tournament. Including a win over #1 at 113.
The new 6A Rankings on posted!!! I think you are going to like 'em!
Posted By: wrestling67
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/15/16 01:36 AM
Campus Beat Derby in a dual tonight 29-24
Posted By: wichita3504
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/15/16 06:05 PM
Flores beat Schroeder last weekend!
FYI
The 5A and 6A rankings have been sent in but Kramer won't be able to update until this evening.
Posted By: wichita3504
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/19/16 11:45 PM
Not judging, I think you guys doing the rankings are awesome just wondering a few things! Wondering why asiel Flores is not ranked when he is a defending state champ and only lost to the #1 in 6a? And I believe birch from south should be ahead of Duran from campus at 195, because he did pin him. Birch also beat the heights kid who beat Duran. Once again just asking and giving my opinion.
Not judging, I think you guys doing the rankings are awesome just wondering a few things! Wondering why asiel Flores is not ranked when he is a defending state champ and only lost to the #1 in 6a? And I believe birch from south should be ahead of Duran from campus at 195, because he did pin him. Birch also beat the heights kid who beat Duran. Once again just asking and giving my opinion.
Two very good points. When Flores lost to Onwugbufor, Gentzler and then defaulted to the WSE guy, he dropped below others and the weight got crowded. Since his return, he had no wins over ranked guys to get back in. His win over the Campus kid was good but that guy also dropped out of the rankings. Asiel does deserve to be considered and I appreciate your heads up on him. I will also look up that win for Birch.
Posted By: Jgreen
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/27/16 01:02 PM
can some one tell me what is trenton allen record is i cant find much about him on track who has he gone against working common oppenents
Posted By: Jgreen
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/27/16 01:18 PM
because trenton allen got pinned by Jacob Jenkins last night from chaparral
can some one tell me what is trenton allen record is i cant find much about him on track who has he gone against working common oppenents
He has been hurt and is 9-3 from my data. 6A 182 has above average parity.
Posted By: Colt Strong
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/27/16 02:25 PM
Allen also lost to Matt Kimber from Campus in a dual 2 weeks ago.
Posted By: Teamroper
Re: 6A rankings! - 01/27/16 02:35 PM
Good to see Ayrus back, been wondering about his status.
The last Pre-State Ranking is now posted. In honor of STATE WEEK, I posted them one day early!
ON TO WICHITA!!!!
http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0067/0982/KWCA_Class_6A_Ranking-1.pdfWith the "Dodge City Regional effect", the top 5 teams all have a real shot! There could be only a 20 point spread between all five!!