Does any one know how the sedding will go for the state brcketing this year. Irealize its a little early but was just curious.was wanting to know the order or where can i find the information at . THANK YOU for all your help.

Have I been gone that long? Last I checked... 4 regionals; top 4 placers advance; 1 v 4, 2 v 3. Regional pairings are not posted until the completion of all regions. Are you really a coach?

Are you really Big Head from South?

I Was wanting to know the seeding order as in 1s vs 15 n 2 2e vs 14w that kind of oder is what i am looking for thank you

Let me give this a try, BigHead is correct...Think of the 16-man State Bracket as 4 mini-brackets, with the No. 1 seed coming from the individual Regionals. The No. 1 seed from Regional A then wrestles the No. 4 seed from Regional D, No. 2 seed from Regional B vs. No. 3 seed from Regional C. This way, there is no opportunity to wrestle someone from your Regional in the first 2 rounds. The order of which Regional faces another is determined by a blind draw after Regionals, with each weight class being different. There is no 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, etc. as in a regular 16-man bracket, with the top seeds being at the opposite ends of the brackets. I hope this helps clear this up for you...

yeah... but they dont release the order of which regional wrestle the other one until the week of state. Each weight has its own seeding. Because if you knew how the format was going to happen, some people might start throwing matchs in the regional finals so they could get put on the weeker side.

Let me first welcome you to the Kansas Wrestling Web-site. I want to thank you for going through the hassle of registering just to ask me this question. I would love to answer that for you, but first I have a question of my own: How many other Big Head's do you know?

Just one, buts its been a decade so you never know. Plus, how many people get to put stabbing Dawes in Slovakia on their resumes.lol

I always thought they should have a seeding meeting at state, and seed all the regional champs and runner ups in each weight.

That's the good thing about having Ely in our regional. He'll be on the other side of the bracket at State.

CJY-96,
Sorry for jumping the gun. You know me better than I first suspected. How is ol Dawes? That trip was a once in a lifetime opportunity and we lived it to the fullest. I can only imagine what things would have been like if we would've had our passports. Say, you know where I can find a good deal on Yeager-meifter? Sup good buddy?

"I always thought they should have a seeding meeting at state, and seed all the regional champs and runner ups in each weight."

I presented a State Bracketing formula to the KWCA this year for review. It would still use the states formula but would seed the 4 Regional finialist based on specific criteria. The 4 Regional champs would be seperated and the remaining regionals would follow the states formula with placement according to their respective champion.

I've probably confused everyone, but it would seperate the Regional Champs by seeding, hopefully eliminate some of the actual finals being wrestled in the Semi's and possibly build alittle "excitement" for our final matches. How many times have you seen two defending champions or undefeated wrestlers meet in the semi's?

I could attach the whole formula on here but I hope the KWCA will present it to the Coaches this year for review and then on the KSHSAA for next year.

That's actually a pretty good idea.

I agree it does not have to be complicated but when you have a clear 1 & 2 they should be on opp. sides of the bracket.

Let it be random! Who defines clear #1 and 2. I think the random way is the best and most fair.

I think a coaches conference call can determine that. Here are a couple of clear 1 & 2 examples in 3a. Hase SL V Rodgers SC at 112 Racatte Oakley v Palmer SC at 215. I dont see many coaches even attempting to argue against those individuals being clear 1 & 2. Most can be random and without a impact but it's a shame when clearly the best 2 wrestlers meet in the semi's rather than the finals.

I understand what you're saying, but it won't be as easy as a coaches conference call. Say for instance Hase and Rogers did wind up on the same side, do you think Coach Johnson is just going to concede that Keiswetter isn't deserving? Or if it's Racette and Palmer is Coach Lamar conceding Wall? I doubt it, especially if his kid hasn't ever met head-to-head with one of the two other kids. A coach's job is to put his wrestler in the best situation to win. Ever been to a seeding meeting? Some coaches will argue that Janet Reno isn't ugly to get a seed.

I would be interested in hearing said criteria for determining exceptions to the random rule though.

What happens if one of the returning state champs gets upset in the regional tournament. Cole Garcia beating Jake Kriegbaum comes to mind. Last year I believe Richards from St. Francis was upset in the regional semi-finals. Random draws coaches and wrestlers can live with it is not perfect and neither is life.

I can't for the life of me figure why someone would favor a random draw over seeding the four regional champions. I don't want to speak for Coach Alley but in the Kriegbaum case he couldn't have been a 1-4 seed as I understand it. That puts importance on winnng your regional, but still allows for redemption at state. In this day and age with the larger tournaments and cross state travel as well as the internet to track results, there is no reason the four regional winners can't be seeded pretty easily.

I think Janet Reno is a fox!!!

I get your point. Coaches are going to argue to put their team and wrestler in the best position. Its hard to come up with a formula when we dont get complete results on wrestlers record. I like the random format but would still like to see a seeding of the one seeds.