can somebody fill me in on what happened at this tournament. I heard there were some tempers by some coaches. One that I have heard has already had some run in with several coaches throughout this year already. That same coach told one of our coaches that one of our kids would not be any good if it wasnt for the headlock. Then I heard what he said to one of the opposing coaches that was coaching a kid that beat his son and he said a few choice words. Dont know if its true but I dont think thats the atmosphere I want my kid around. Get on your own kid maybe a little but dont be yelling at the other coaches. I saw that in Salina and thought man how can these kids grow up if the coaches and parents arent yet grown up themselves.

We as adults should act more mature than our kids.
J Cassaboom

Since it is so difficult to get a club, coach or parent sanctioned, I'm wondering if it would be permissable to deny entry to any of the three by a host club? Say Acme Wrestling has been a problem in the past, could tournament host, Club Zardoz, simply not send Acme a flyer. If Acme entries were by chance received, could the Zardoz club call them up and politely say, "we are returning your check for these reasons". These are invitational tournaments with entry requirements decided by the host club, so why couldn't you deny entry to anyone of your choosing?

I think that it is the tournaments choice of whose entires they accept, but I do not know the official rule. I think it will take some clubs taking a stand along with the refs to no longer allow unprofessional behavior like this.
I can say that it is nice to be away from the turmoil. We have learned what it is like for our son and us to enjoy wrestling again.

Head coaches need to control their assistant/dad coaches who get upset when their kid looses, It's not the winning coaches fault the kid lost, why cuss him out...I know, due the fact 1 of my wrestlers beat a kid in unsaid tourney and the coach/dad told me it was a bunch of crap without the headlock my wrestler was nothing...My thought was (not said aloud)"It was good enough to win the match!" Yes we are here for the kids, sometimes ADULTS need to grow-up a little bit and figure out what sportsmanship is all about. Most of us coaches/assistants/dads are role models not to just our own children but also the ones we are coaching.(food for thought!!)

What Happened? And what Team? I have a guess after looking who was at the tournament.

Good point! It is supposed to be about the KIDS. To many coaches forget this. How do you teach a kid to loss a match with your head held high if you gave 100% to come off the mat showing sportsmanship when the coach is at the sideline screaming cuss words??? Another point is the head coach needs to be a ROLE MODEL.
J Cassaboom

Lets just leave names unsaid!
J Cassaboom

As far as who gets to enter a tournament goes, I personally know of a club that has been told they are not allowed to participate in specific tournaments. (one of which is not even in KS) It is up to the club to say who can enter or not. IF it is an invitational, then only the clubs that get the invitation are allowed in. Most of the clubs post their flyer on the website so anyone who wants to go can. Every club has the right to say who they do and don't want in their tournament. That is the joy of running your own.

As far as the comment goes regarding the Salina tournament and the big blow up there, our club was there, we were involved and it we had it to do over again, we would conduct ourselves in the same fashion we did that day. You must not be aware of the situation that happened the weekend before Salina. Don't tell me that we need to grow up. When a coach is being a JERK (for lack of what I really want to say about him)to a wrestler because their kid lost (and lost bad by the way) our coaches will defend him. And when a coach is being an even bigger JERK to OUR coach because the wrestler that his kid lost to happens to be that coaches son-we won't stand for that either. Kids win and lose, some coaches just need to learn to take their "KNOX" like everybody else.

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Same people every year, it gets old. I think kansas wrestling has let this go on to long and something should be done. One of these times things are going to really get out of hand.

I am reminded of the bad apple spoiling the whole bunch as I type this comment. The weekend after Salina in Topeka at the Thunderbirds tourn I had a chance to speak with a couple of folks from "the team". I was very impressed as to what they had to say about how they handled the person internally with their club. They were nice and polite and I enjoyed visiting with them in the hospitality room. Even with the super extended delay at T-Birds these folks were positive and complementary to the efforts of the club. They had a much longer return trip then I did, since I live in Topeka, but not once did I hear a bad word.

Granted that was only two people, but let me go one more. One of our wrestlers elderly grandmother was ascending the bleacher staircase right where "the teams" fans were sitting and at each step a hand came out to assist her. I was touched. "The team" disciplined their own, not saying that makes what happened in Salina ok, but they are not a bad bunch of folks. With time and punishments for acts not deemed acceptable by the wrestling community, I think things will eventually work out. Have faith.

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Okay, I am sorry if you have taken this wrong. LOL means lots of luck!!!!! Are you a little paronoid?

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this is all I can say. Every team will have a dis-gruntled parent. Parents know everything and coaches know nothing. You have a choice where you want your son to wrestle. Not every club will be suitable for every kid. I am an upbeat type of coach during practice. If you cannot tolerate yelling then you wouldnt like me. At the same time I yell to get those kids to move. I then stop them and show them what they are doing wrong. You also have coaches that do other things. The point is you may not like each and every coach but no reason to bash a club cause you didnt like them. As for the growing up part. Let me give you this. In 2 years your not allowed to bring your club to any tournaments. Your son asks you this question. How come im not wrestling this weekend or last weekend or the weekend before or next weekend. You have to stay because I have yet to grow up and I cant control myself in front of 500 other kids. So now you may want to grow up. If not then thats your fault not everyone elses.

Enough is enough, some of you on here dont even know what happened. For one, we didnt even have a club at our tournament that even attened the Topeka Thunderbirds tournament. 2. Jessica, you wasnt at out tournament either so you really dont know what happened. Yes there was some shouting going on, no it shouldnt of happened. It was taken care of.

Yes Scott I did attend the Topeka tournament. I did hear about one coach that was involved in the incident. Thats why I made the post because I wanted to know if he was the same coach that made a comment to one of our coaches earlier and said that our kid wouldnt be any good if it wasnt for the headlock. So dont worry about where I had my kid wrestle. I didnt make the post for anyone to bash another club or tournament. I made the post so we as a group can identify the idiots and get rid of them. I know the teams involved. Like I said in my first post is I just heard. You can take care of whatever it is you did. The bottom line is I wanted to know if it was the same coach from one of those 2 teams that was involved. I made the comment about Salina because I wanted to let it be know that if you act like an idiot everyone else sees it.

Bockman, did you attend the Central Inv?