Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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What is the season limit? 40? Do forfiet/open wts taken count? Does every match count or are is the a max for a tounrament? How does that work? Do JV matches count against the season total? Is there a weekly match max? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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12/05/08 08:31 PM
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No Season Match count. Kansas bases participation on a point system and Wrestlers may not exceed 18 events or 30 points for the season( Regionals and state are not included in the points) These points are the same for Varsity and JV who ever participates in the dual including forfeits.
Duals-1 point Double Duals - 2 points Quads 3 points One Day tournament 3 points Two Day tournament 4 points
The only match count that you need to consider is that a wrestler may not have more than 5 matches in one day.
Hope this helps
Matt Sims Colby High School
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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12/05/08 08:35 PM
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Accepting a forfeit does count as a match wrestled.
Greg Mann Manhattan, KS
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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John Johnson
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Can anyone explain the rationale behind counting forfeits - dumbest thing I ever heard.
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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They count on your record as a win. And you can't without it counting as a competition.
Right or wrong that is why.
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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12/05/08 10:55 PM
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First of all your talking about the KSHSAA so rationale is out the window. I'm assuming the rationale is not how many matches a wrestler wrestles, but how many events they attend. The wrestler is scoring points for their team.
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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12/18/08 02:49 PM
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Thanks for the info and explainations.
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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12/19/08 02:21 PM
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I don't post very often here, but every now and then I see something that peaks my interest so I will respond.
Theoretical Maximum
7 two day dual tournaments @ 4 points per tournament x 5 matches per day x 2 days per tournament ------ 70 matches in reg. season tournaments @ 28 competition points + 2 matches in 1 double dual @ 2 competition points ------ 72 total regular season matches @ 30 total competition points Now we figure out maximum matches in the post season. Assuming you are in 3-2-1A or 4A and have full 16 man brackets with no byes. In order to get extra matches you have to lose the 1st round match and wrestle all the way through the backside to place 3rd or 4th. Following this pattern you will wrestle 6 total matches at regionals to place 3rd or 4th so...
72 regular season matches + 6 regional matches ------ 78 matches
Now on to State where once again a full 16 man bracket awaits. Once again you lose in the 1st round which counts as a match of course. Then you wrestle on the back side. This time however you need only get to the consolation semifinals to get the maximum matches. Up to the consi-semi's you would have wrestled 4 times. If you win that puts you in the consi-finals with 5 matches, and if you include the 3rd and 4th place match that is 6 total matches. If you lose in the consi-semi's that is still your 5th match, and you will wrestle a 6th match for 5th and 6th, so either way its 6 matches at maximum.
So for the final total
78 matches up through regionals + 6 State matches ------- 84 = Grand total of MAXIMUM matches/forfeits a wrestler can have in Kansas under the competition points system.
84 is a TON of matches. The figures above make a lot of assumptions as well. For instance there is not 7 two day dual tournaments available in the state of Kansas. In fact I believe there may only be 1 or 2. In any case I just used these as examples to get the most matches possible. Also I doubt very seriously that most coaches would be willing to take on a schedule like that, and even more importantly I doubt there are any schools in the state that would let students out of 7 half or full days of school for athletic competion. I'm not even sure if the state BOE allows that many days or half days to be missed.
In any case the practical answer to your question is 84, so now you know. Have fun with this seemingly useless bit of knowledge I have shared with you.
William Nigel Isom KSHSAA Official # 14274 USAWKS # 577 Riley KS
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Re: Can someone explain the HS match count limit?
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84 matches. 504 minutes of live wrestling. 8.4 hours of live wrestling in a season.
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