I have said before and will say again...
The amount of tallent that comes out of that club is amazing! The kids are at the top level and that is due to very tough & knowledgable coaches.
BUT, when the FANS and coaches steal the spotlight from their wrestlers by their negative actions. That is the real crime.

Example:
Park City, Maybe 10 seconds left!
TOHK wrestler down by 2 and on top. He optional starts, slips to the front, and bulldogs the kid to his back and wins by one . Standard TOHK move! EXCELLENT TRAINING & COACHING!
Then for Knox & DeShayzer and their fans to stand there and point at, rub their eyes, and tease a young man for crying is UNCALLED FOR!
All the attention is taken away from the excellent come back and put in a negative light onto the club.
Then when someone says something to them they attack that person as well.

This is why there is such a bad image for this club.

Everything in life needs villans & HEROS!
But there is no greater story then when the villan becomes the hero!
TOHK...
I DARE YOU TO BE GREAT!

Whew! You need to calm down Deucesmom! My son has lost a many a match to bad calls, or points that weren't given to him that was supposed to be. Your son lost, deal with it period. There is always next year and the year after that. Wrestling is not your life! It's in the past, move on. Yes, I get mad too when my son loses to a bad call. I walk it off, before I say something I would regret. All I tell him is that it was not his fault. If he gave me 100% out on the mat and he had fun, then that is waht counts.

My son has lost many matches because the ref hasn't given him the points or calls that maybe they should have but he is the wrestler and not the ref. I just want him to wrestle his best and make sure that when he does what needs to be done he will be given the points.

You will always have judgement calls in this sport. I believe you should ask if a kid doesn't get the points or calls but you should also take what the ref says into consideration and show good sportsmanship and leadership even if you don't like their answer.

I feel that this is just part of the sport.

Oh BTW....

BLT is...
Big Lance Tracy
Team Haysville

AND...
If anyone needs an example of a HERO...
Coach Craig from Bishop Carroll!!
I have seen that guy get after a ref with the best of them but he always has respect for EVERYONE touched by our sport!

Coach Craig,
From myself, Team Haysville, and MANY MANY OTHERS

YOU ARE A HERO TO THIS SPORT AND YOU WILL BE MISSED!

I THINK THE THOK COACHES SHOW THERE PASSION FOR THE SPORT AND I THINK IT IS PASSED ON TO THERE KIDS. WHAT KID OUT THERE LIKES TO WRESTLE A HARD KNOX KID THEY KNOW THE WILL BE IN FOR A GREAT FIGHT. AND THAT IS WHAT DRIVES MY SON. THAT IS WHY WE WILL DRIVE 70 MILES THIS SUMMER TO WORK OUT WITH THEM. YOU MIGHT DISLIKE THE COACHES BUT YOU HAFT TO ENJOY WATCHING THERE KIDS I KNOW I DO

We all will miss Coach Craig and should try to set an example, for the kids, like he does for the sport every year. Don't forget to let us know when your tournament is in Oklahoma so we can try to come visit.
Brian Wells

I don't like Coach Craig because he dresses nicer than me.

Yeah...what a show off!!! Proves that I don't get paid nearly as much as him, maybe I should start coaching over there!

How did this topic get my name in it??? Thank you Mr. Tracy for the nice words...Brian I hope that wherever I coach we have a tournament so you can bring your club.

Coach Eck....learn to drive...and get a haircut.

I will post some comments on another topic. As for this...Show up to wrestle...prepare...and let the rest pass you by...I really don't care who is in the opposite corner. It could be Ray Kramer or Doug Eck or the whole TOHK section of fans...I want to win. Do what you want on your side...i don't care...I'll be happy if we win and if we loose we will come back and get after you again and again and again and again untill we find a way to win....either now or 5 years from now.

Honestly...I really don't care what TOHK or any other team does in there corner...it's not my problem and I won't make it mine....Unless you are Ray Kramer Sr...

For one I am pissed that we finished behind them...I wanted to catch them...and the Brawlers this weekend...fell short a couple of points, but as always my boys came to win. It was not our year to do this. Look out for Coach Dan next year!!! He has nicer hair than Doug and Jerry Dale.

Coach Craig Adams
Carroll Jr. Wrestling

In the interest of full disclosure...Carroll Jr Wrestling pays me in suits and ties.

I really like (love) the TOHK coaches! Oh yeah I am one of them. (The Founder). This is really good, no one has gone overboard in their criticism of us. And if something postive can come out this, than that will be great. If I/we have offened you than I aplogize. You need to know that was not my intentions. Have you ever been at the bottom of hill and decide to climb it and after you almost get to the top you see a smowball coming down and seems to be getting bigger and bigger (and you just don't think it's fair) so with out thinking, you do what you think is the best and you fight against it. May be we over reacted or maybe not but just remenber if you are critercizing us make sure that you are not doing it yourself. Ignorance is like a baby is hasn't been taught yet. Do it in a gentle way and we will work on it. For the sake of the YOUTHS! Email me with suggestions be prepared on some things for a debate. teamofhardknox2sbcglobal.net

and that coach knox is what i call class!!! open for ctrique but respectful at the same time!!! and willing to debate and open for suggestions!!! that my friends is class!!!! i met some of ur coaches at ottawaand enjoyed talking to them!!! u got some tuff kids that i enjoy watching!!

Is it your feeling that we should never argue a call or decision? Because if it is, wow I feel sorry for anyone that you coach if you are in that position.

You are blowing this out of proportion in my opinion. I merely stated that we did not curse at the ref when we didn't agree with a call. If you do that and get awake with it, so be it. Who am I to judge how you handle yourself. I am talking about how our coaches and how they act. They acted in the best interest of each kid we had wrestling.

I agree there should be some type of consequences for that sorta behavior. And it's in the rule book. I can't go verbata(spelling) but if it's flagrant than follow the rule book.

i would like to say hard knox is a good club and they have good wrestler but this weekend i seen a coach not shake hands after the match which i thought was wrong. they are kids.

Charlie, my son spent the week with you, Ulysses, Matt and Brogen (sp) during the School Boy Duals last year. He thinks the world of you. I guess you are a little strick on the the kids and I guess Ulysses asked my son if he could trade w/ someone and stay in our room. In other words, my son became friends w/ your kids. But, over the last few years as I have been on this forum, your club gets alot of comments. Few of them favorable, except for the group of apologist from your home town. I know many are deserved, I was at free style state a few years ago. I understand about playing the underdog role to inspire your kids, but it has gone too far. Your kids are losing calls now because your club as a whole gets 'over the top' to be polite. Whole sections of fans cheer against kids from your club. Maybe some in your club get caught up in the 'us against the world' role that they don't understand this is not a way to prepare a kid for the real world. Really, its time for the USAW Kansas and/or the club to deal w/ this. This topic is getting old. And, it distacts from some great wrestling by your club. My son hope to make the School Boy Dual team again and he hopes you are there too.

John,
So my question is... Why do sections from other teams cheer against our kids? Wouldn't this be us against everybody else?
Debate it.

I would like to start the debate for $400 Coach...

Opening remark to the debate:

When you're on top everyone is out to knock you off.

Now the rebutle for $300 please Alex.

Are you referring to wrestling or real life?
This is our fuel of our fire for we were returning state champions.