I like the fact that we use TW for recording and posting the results of our state events. I know that sometimes there are hold ups at the mats waiting for bout sheets and that is the biggest pain but the way you can go in and see brackets and profiles is awesome.

BUT...
There is one thing that I've seen that needs to be resolved and made mandatory for all State Qualifying Events. The people running the tournaments need to record and post the wrestlers actual weights. I think it is important part of the program and it also flags if there is anyone in violation of acceptable weight parameters

Here are the Subs that did not record this info:
Sub Dist 1 N and Sub Dist 4 S did not record any weights at all!
Sub Dist 4 N did not record actual weights. They only entered the weight class as the actual weight.

I hope that from here on out the people running these tournaments will take the time to make sure the information is taken and properly recorded.

Lance Tracy

I'm sorry I disagree. The actual weights shouldn't be displayed for everyone to see. If they make the weight that's all anybody needs to know.

Yes they should so you can see all the bad parents cutting weight.

Bad parents cut weight? I must be a good parent because I'm over by 40lbs.

At state qualifying events weight limits are strictly enforced. If someone wrestles outside of the acceptable parameters then they are not allowed to wrestle according to the rules.
As I have to to understand...
If someone is allowed to wrestle and they are not in compliance then that means they are not sanctioned and that would mean that weight class would not be sanctioned and NONE of the kids in that bracket would be allowed to advance onto the next state event.
So Yes
They need to make sure they record all weights and make sure the no one is over or UNDER the allowed limit.
We need to see actual weights. What if you got to Districts and there was a kid in your childs bracket that would cause all the wrestlers of that bracket to not be allowed to advance to state.
There would be some very upset people.
Please post the actual weights.

Before there was trackwrestling. They marked their arm - that was it - they made it or they did not make weight. No entry on a piece of paper - example 129.5 pounds. Seeing a number in the trackwrestling system has nothing to do with whether or not they made weight. So what are you trying to say about all the subs that did not record a weight? Come on just wrestle. The people doing the weigh-ins check the kids off a list different at each tournament - even if they are all using trackwrestling. Trackwrestling doesn't specify weigh-in rules.

My suggestion for trackwrestling tournaments. Have blank bout sheets at the tables - just in case the computers go down. Each table should have a match numbered offical bracket for each weight on their table.
The old fashion way does not need electricity, cables, modems. I like the track system - it just needs a paper and pencil back up plan at every tourmament. A stack of 50 blank bout sheets on each table can keep the tournament running without delay.

So if they are under the weight class they are wrestling its wrong, I don't get it. I thought they had to be under the weight they are wrestling.

If you make weight your in. If your over your out. The actual weight is entertaining but not necessary.

no need to record actual weights.

if someone is cheating, they won't enter the right weight.

makes no sense to me.

paper back ups are a great idea smokey.

What is to far under weight? Never heard of that before.

I am not trying to be a jerk about this but ok I guess I will be. There are districts out there following and enforcing the rules and others that are not. I was informed over the last week that in order for a tournament to be a santioned event that it must follow all the rules and bylaws set forth by USAWKS.

Rule 4-4-2 No wrestler will be permitted to wrestle another person with a weight spread exceeding the following weights:
8 & under 15 pounds
10 & under 20 pounds
12 & under 25 pounds
14 & under 30 pounds
High School 35 pounds

So for example:
1. If a 230 pound high school kid wants to wrestle 285 HE IS NOT ALLOWED!
2. If a 210 pound high school kid wants to wrestle 250 HE IS NOT ALLOWED.
3. If a 185 pound 12U wants to wrestle 215 HE IS NOT ALLOWED.

We have had some of these happen to us this week. We were informed of the rule and had to change weight classes and therefore lost any seeding critera that we had over other wrestlers. This may of cost a wrestler a chance to go to state. Even though they wrestle this weight all year long in HS or MS and at other tournaments, we have to make changes come state time.

Here are some examples of where this rule is being violated:
Sub District 1 N
HS 250 pound class

Sub Dist 2 N
Hs 285 pound class

Sub District 3 E
HS 285 pound class

Sub District 3 W
HS 285 pound class

I personally think the enforcement of this rule is stupid but if some of us are going to have to play by these rules then ALL of us are going to play by these rules.
Call me a stickler...
Call me bitter...
Call me PISSED OFF!
Cause thats what I am right now.

You are making one assumption that I believe affects this entire discussion.....that the "actual weights" are the ACTUAL WEIGHTS.

There are many things that can affect the weight recorded by the scale such as movement, leaning, etc. To my point, we weighed my son here at home Friday before heading to Sub-District weigh in and he was .3 under. This is a calibrated scale (and it's calibration checked regularly as we use for other things that require calibration) and we always take the average of (3) weigh-ins to allow for the restless kid factor. So, we get in the car, head to the weigh-in and he comes out and says "Dad, I am .2 over". I told him to just go around and back through, and this time make sure that he stood with his feet flat (like I had him at home) and that he stood perfectly still.

He came out 5 minutes later and said "We are good, I was .3 under like at home".

With that kind of variance, I would suggest that we could open up a huge can of worms when we start posting actual weights.

In my humble opinion, you either make weight or you don't, and that is responsibility of the tournament staff. As for your point about not allowing other wrestlers to advince, I know that is the rule. BUT, can anyone name a time where that was enforced. In 20+ years, I can't think of one.

Of course I could be wrong.........

We posted at the same time, and like I said....."Of course I could be wrong........."

I guess I was wrong, and in your scenario this is indeed an issue!

I just want to clarifiy here...
ACCORDING TO TRACK WRESTLING INFO
These are examples of violations of this rule.

Well i know for sure that at least 12-15 kids did not wrestle because they were not making weight at D1 south subs and that was just in the 8 and under age group. So if you are saying that districts are cheating or not going by the rules then maybe you should petition the state board. That way they can form a crew to come to each sub and control the weighins. I bet that if that happens it would cost each wrestler at least 50 dollars just to wrestle at subs. I don't know if you think you got cheated or what but rules are rules move on already!

I am aware of the issue and I am looking into it.

Ned

Thank You Ned

Matman
I'm not saying thay anyone is purposely cheating...
I'm saying that maybe not all the rules are being followed to the same extent in each district and that is not fair

Well i have yet to find the RULE that states you must post the actual weights of the wrestlers. I am sure all they have to do is make weight to wrestle! There is nothing that says yes you must post the actual weights of all wrestlers on TW! So i guess i don't understand how the rules are not being enforced!

Read up a little on the thread matman1976.