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Qualifilers NOT moving on to State #165845 03/21/10 05:25 PM
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PLEASE contact us IMMEDIATELY if you are not planning on moving on to Kids State this next weekend.

These are the ones we have been notified of as of 1:00 pm on Sunday --

District 1 -
HS 215# - Eric Mason STA

District 2 -
8U 52# - Whitney Quandt
8U 110# - Mason McDaniel, Wellington
10U 79# - Jack Maki, Wichita Wrestlng Club



Contact either Ned Price (913) 426-0070, Tom Richard (785) 564-0203, or Leanna Buckley (785) 632-1887


This makes changes on the brackets / names in the program book, etc. SO CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY!!

Brackets will be released at 5:00 pm

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To bad about Whitney. She was fun to watch

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Additional Changes - Wrestlers NOT GOING ON!!

District 4 --

8U 110# - Jackson Becker

12U 165# - Drew House, Goodland

HS 145 - Derrick Schmittker, Hugoton

HS 285# - Jared Rice



District 3 -

HS 130# - Dylan Moore, Concordia

HS 145# - Courtney Strauss, Abilene

(District 3 - these are from parents calling -- STILL WAITING ON LANCE ENGEL TO GIVE US CHANGES -- CALL US PLEASE PARENTS!!!!)



Brackets will still be released at 5:00 pm BUT CHANGES WILL BE MADE after that time --



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Re: Qualifilers NOT moving on to State [Re: ictdad] #165891 03/21/10 10:18 PM
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Whitney is wrestling a girl national tournament in Oklahoma City next weekend, Good Luck Whit!

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Originally Posted By: imkindofabigdeal
Whitney is wrestling a girl national tournament in Oklahoma City next weekend, Good Luck Whit!


From what I was told a few years ago, there are only four spots from each District tournament that go to State. At that time, there were no alternates, therefore, no wrestling for the 5th/6th place match (to decide an alternate). If this is still the rule, why would a kid wrestle in the State Tournament series that isn't planning on going to State? When I saw this post, I figured that these kids got injured and could not go on. Maybe some of them did, and if that is the case, I feel bad for them. If that is not the case, and you were not planning on wrestling at the State tournament, why take a kid's spot that could (again, unless the rule has changed from a few years ago).


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Some of the HS kids did it to qualify for the HS tournament in WV.

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This is what I have from District III.

8U 88# Dawson Wuthnow not going on.
10u 58# Chance Hight not going on.
HS 130# Dillon Moore not going on.
HS 140# Danny Floyd not going on.
HS 145# Courtney Strauss not going on.

ReDPloyd, they've had alternates as long as I can remember, but I'm getting old and CRS.


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Re: Qualifilers NOT moving on to State [Re: Lance J. Engel] #165896 03/21/10 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lance J. Engel
This is what I have from District III.

8U 88# Dawson Wuthnow not going on.
10u 58# Chance Hight not going on.
HS 130# Dillon Moore not going on.
HS 140# Danny Floyd not going on.
HS 145# Courtney Strauss not going on.

ReDPloyd, they've had alternates as long as I can remember, but I'm getting old and CRS.


D1 doesn't wrestle for 5th/6th at Districts. I just noticed that the other three Districts do. D1 wrestles 5th/6th at Subs for alternates to go to Districts, but not at Districts. What am I missing out on here?


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Originally Posted By: BLT
Some of the HS kids did it to qualify for the HS tournament in WV.


BLT,

I can normally follow what you are saying, but I am not understanding what you are saying here. Are you saying that some of the HS kids are getting mat time before they go to WV?


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The HS wrestlers already had qualified for the Senior Nationals in WV by being HS state placers. This tournament had nothing to do with that. Some continued wrestling to stay in shape for the Senior nationals. In our District they told everyone in their bracket up front so they knew the alternate would be moving on. I know the 20 some years I've been involved D3 always wrestled for alternates to both Districts and State.


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Re: Qualifilers NOT moving on to State [Re: Lance J. Engel] #165903 03/21/10 11:23 PM
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over the last few years they have not wrestled for 5th and 6th, due to numerous reasons. if there is an opportunity, they will have the two kids meet and wrestle in the middle of the week. there are very few instances where an alternative has made it in. not saying it doesn't happen, but not often.


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district one did wrestle 5th and 6th place at districts after eric told them he wasnt going on to state


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Here is the question I asked to one of the state reps back in 2007. D2 had two kids wrestling through Subs and Districts at U12 68, D3 and D4 had three each at Districts. Was it possible that D1, with a full bracket could get more kids through? The answer I got was that only four kids from each District were allowed to go to State. That year my son made State his first time (3rd in an 8-man bracket) and there ended up being 12 kids in his State bracket (four byes).


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Originally Posted By: ReDPloyd
Originally Posted By: BLT
Some of the HS kids did it to qualify for the HS tournament in WV.


BLT,

I can normally follow what you are saying, but I am not understanding what you are saying here. Are you saying that some of the HS kids are getting mat time before they go to WV?


I put the wrong tournament!!! It was the USA Wrestling's ASICS Folkstyle Nationals.
Yes, some did it for mat time and some had to meet certain requirements in order to be eligable to go!

Re: Qualifilers NOT moving on to State [Re: dadofhwt] #165908 03/21/10 11:49 PM
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John,

The only reason I hesitated to comment after the original post is that I saw your son being on the list to not wrestle at State. I have the utmost respect for STA, and after being a part of their wrestling family for the five years before this one, I didn't want to go there. I figured that some wrestlers might have been injured and could not go on. Then I saw the post about the wrestler that was going to a different tournament that weekend. I understood that there were only four spots from each District, and figured that this wrestler took one of them. D1 is the only District that I do not see 5th/6th place matches. We (my son and I) owe a lot to STA and will always be thankful for having the opportunity to be a part of their club.


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Re: Qualifilers NOT moving on to State [Re: dadofhwt] #165909 03/21/10 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: dadofhwt
district one did wrestle 5th and 6th place at districts after eric told them he wasnt going on to state


I had only heard Eric's name on this forum and while following some of the kids at this weight. As I was consoling one of our wrestlers who thought his state dreams were finished, Eric walked up and spoke to our wrestler giving him some positive words and keeping his hope alive. I thanked him and knew immediately he was a "solid" young man! Didn't know who it was until reading these posts today. It didn't work out the way we wanted, but thank you again Eric.


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Josh,

With the exception of the year I was gone, I have been to the D1 District tournament five years and do not remember there being a 5th/6th place match. Have the other three districts been wrestling 5th/6th all these years? If they have, why hasn't D1 (just in case)?


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Originally Posted By: HEADUP
over the last few years they have not wrestled for 5th and 6th, due to numerous reasons. if there is an opportunity, they will have the two kids meet and wrestle in the middle of the week. there are very few instances where an alternative has made it in. not saying it doesn't happen, but not often.


So they wrestle to qualify for a USA Wrestling event AFTER the qualifying event is OVER. How is that even legal?

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Alright, my bad, I get it now. This is the State Championship, and the best sixteen wrestlers in Kansas get to wrestle for it all. That is, unless your District has eight wrestlers and can only qualify four, while another District has only two and the other two (byes) would beat the 5th/6th place finishers out of your District (even though they don't wrestle for it). This has nothing to do with my son this year as he went two and out in one of the toughest 8-man District brackets in the state. This has to do with filling sixteen spots at the State tournament to see who can win in all. I don't feel real good about writing this as I am normally trying to inject humor in a talk forum about of a very tough sport. I am the idiot for not knowing the rules, if they are the rules, that a District can wrestle an alternate at State while another District can't compete against a bye.


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Originally Posted By: Paratroop
Originally Posted By: dadofhwt
district one did wrestle 5th and 6th place at districts after eric told them he wasnt going on to state


I had only heard Eric's name on this forum and while following some of the kids at this weight. As I was consoling one of our wrestlers who thought his state dreams were finished, Eric walked up and spoke to our wrestler giving him some positive words and keeping his hope alive. I thanked him and knew immediately he was a "solid" young man! Didn't know who it was until reading these posts today. It didn't work out the way we wanted, but thank you again Eric.


paratroop, thank you for the kind words about eric sorry it didnt work out for your young man. we were watching the match and was pulling for him


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