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Consistently Bad Sportsmanship #166963 03/29/10 09:26 PM
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Just wondering why there isn't anything done or said to teams that every year at state show bad sportsmanship and/or conduct. There was actually a coach that flipped off the crowd who cheered when someone from their team won a match against his team. Just one of many altercations that I witnessed over the weekend.

Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: cdzmom] #166993 03/29/10 11:02 PM
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IMO tournaments that are "invitational" should start enforcing that. Stop inviting those teams that are problems. The kids in that club are embarrassed or starting to act like their coaches. If there is a constant problem with a team and/or coaches at what point does someone hold them accountable for their actions? There are times when everyone get emotionally wrapped up in a match but when coaches flip off spectators and not shake kids hands they should be banned. I witnessed this incident, but not surprised. When you have over 10 teams boo-ing a coach 3 weeks in a row because of their conduct and have to get extra security than someone needs to step up before there is a brawl. There are many good quality clubs that those kids can go to!

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Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: jmbsr] #167069 03/30/10 04:03 AM
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If you want to call someone or some team out then at least be big enough to leave your name.
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why whats that gonna do jerry
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Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: jmbsr] #167076 03/30/10 04:23 AM
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"When you coach, you coach your kids to show respect and honor in this great sport..."

Does that respect and honor include booing a kid just because he wrestles for said club? Most spectators fuel this behavior with the constant booing or over enthusiastic cheering when a TOHK kid loses.
Jason Murdock

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Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: jmbsr] #167080 03/30/10 04:37 AM
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So you boo the kids?? Seems to me there are plenty of clubs that have coaches that act out at any given tournament. I wonder why it is people want to single out this club??? In case you want to reply with with the reason don't ,that was a rhetorical question. We all know the reason they are singled out but nobody wants to say why they really are ,do they?

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I did not make it this year, but in the last 6 or so times that I have been there I have heard fans cheer when a TOHK kid loses. Is it right? Heck no it's not. I think that sucks for the kid. But is it right for a coach to flip off the people in the stands, or act the way this person or people say these coaches act? Heck no it's not. It doesn't take a brain to figure out that the people aren't cheering cause the kid from HK lost, but at the coach for acting like an ass and feeling like the coach got what he deserved. And Some fans need to grow up and stop doing that cause kids hear that and that's totally uncalled for.

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Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: J Murdock] #167083 03/30/10 04:52 AM
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So you boo the kids?? Seems to me there are plenty of clubs that have coaches that act out at any given tournament. I wonder why it is people want to single out this club??? In case you want to reply with with the reason don't ,that was a rhetorical question. We all know the reason they are singled out but nobody wants to say why they really are ,do they?

Jason Murdock
What is the reason Jason, I'm not trying to be a smart ass or start anything with the TOHK, but I would really like to know why.

Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: 2coach] #167093 03/30/10 12:01 PM
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Give me a break guys I have watch the TOHK wrestle for over 20 years they have not changed one bit. My oldest remembers them better than any other team in his years in kids. He thinks of them as a team. They have heart and a fire for the sport that not every "team" does. Ran in to a few off the mat in the stands they were respectful. If they intmiated you and they know it they will use it. So no reaction is you best option. I usually chuckle when I see everyone get all worked up over them. The more you guys go crazy the better they like it. Their kids get screwed just like the rest of us. Saw one of their kids lose a match because the kid on bottom was stalling big time. But please remember first and for most this is for the kids. No matter how their coachs act you can not boo a kid every that puts you in the lowest form of wrestling fan and is uncalled for.

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I would never agree to ANYONE booing a kid, no matter what team the kid wrestles for, it's not his fault. The cheering from the team I mentioned earlier was in no means "over zealous", in fact it was came from a group of women who were up in years, who probably didn't know anything about wrestling except someone from their team won. And when is it ever ok for an adult to intimidate a child.

Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: n7m13c99] #167105 03/30/10 12:39 PM
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Coach Knox & Coach Taylor have never been disrespectful to me, my family or our wrestlers. Quite the opposite. At weigh in at state I weighed several TOHK kids, all respectful. It's easy to focus on the negatives, as I have witnessed what some are talking about. There are positives too that get overlooked. i know one thing, when you wrestle a TOHK kid, you better bringit, you know they are going to.


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Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: cdzmom] #167106 03/30/10 12:46 PM
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Sorry, n7m13c99, but if you boo a child and it is the lowest form ...then if you are a coach and refuse to shake a childs hand then where does that put you? I do not and will not boo a child it is not their fault that their coaches do not know how to show respect. Where respect is not shown none will be given in return..in regards to the coaches. I watched several matches where TOHK kids won and coaches would slap the opponents hand with out making eye contact or saying nice job as most coaches do. I watched while one coach from TOHK after winning a match and the opposing child was on the mat...said "Scrape him up, its time he got off of the mat"! Is that called for? I do not think so! My youngest both won and lost to a TOHK member and thankfully neither time there was no serious overtones to the match...my oldest son won in triple overtime and as he came off of the mat the crowd was booing him! That would be the TOHK parents...Please consider how your own son feels before you react...both as coaches and as a parent in the stand. The reason we go and support wrestling is for our children not for our own egos!

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Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: up4wrestling] #167112 03/30/10 01:07 PM
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We cant do much about the people in the stands.But whe sure can fix the people on the mats.Giving the finger to people up in the stands is not right at all.Right at that time HE should have been booted out.He just showed all the kids he helps what is an ok manner.
When walking around the mats,I had my toes walked on 3 times.Only one time did any one NOT say sorry.But in stead acted as if I got in his way.Be for this I walked around the group,after that I walked though the middle of them.If I get no respect for people I will give no respect back.


I show my kids what is right on and off the mat.

Re: Consistently Bad Sportsmanship [Re: CWB] #167117 03/30/10 01:27 PM
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I know as a club we have thought about putting in place a "Code of Conduct" contract for parents and coaches, just wondering why USA Wrestling could not do so for the coaches. I know there is not much you can do as far as the parents go, except on the club level.

I do not know Coach Knox personally, but know he is a very talented and well respected coach. I would think he would want his club to have the respect and integrity that he is known for.

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Which kid did they not shake hands with? What age and weight?


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