Thats your best advice "piss on those guys BLT" go get'em Tiger you can do it. Sounds like that friend you know the one. When you get caught in a dark alley is the first to run and find help but doesn't stay to help. AWESOME

You know...
Here are my problems now!
1st of all I have never heard nothing but common sense from Head Up so until I’m in that alley and until he turns and runs I won’t pass judgment and welcome any positive advice or encouragement!
2nd of all the views given by the list of leaders above are taken very seriously among the wrestling community. To try to start something like this needs all the support it can get. I hope the damage hasn’t already been done!
I think this idea has merit and I plan to work on it in the off season. I might not get all four districts the first go round but it won’t be a valid series until I do!

You are right and some didnt! But we wouldnt know any of that if no one wouldnt of tried it!



I agree but there were was still some important things slip thru the cracks!
1. We are still in Topeka! lol
2. There is still an issue with the upper and lower weight classes!

Cause if they are "Chasing the points" that means that wrestler will have wrestled at least 1-2 times in every district in the state. That kind of competition cycling throughout the state certainly cant be bad for Kansas Wrestling can it?

Lets do some math on mileage, gas and hotel cost only. I will use Ark City as a reference point, just because that is where I will be coming from. There are towns closer and farther away but this will be a good measure. Lets say these are your series tournaments: Haysville (2 hours driving, there and back one day), Garden City (8 hours driving, one night hotel), Salina (4 hours driving there and back long day), Olathe (6 hours driving, one night hotel), Maize (2 1/2 hours driving, there and back one day), Colby (10 hours driving, 2 nights hotel stay), Manhattan (6 hours driving, 1 night hotel stay), Paola (6 hours driving, one night hotel stay). That would be for just 8 tournaments in the series, you are wanting 12. So in two months we will have had to stay in a hotel SIX nights at a cost of $360.00. We will have driven for 44 hours which is roughly 121 gallons of gas costing $365.00.

If I stayed in District 2 like I do now, in the same 2 month period I would have driven 9 hours and spent $120.00 in gas. There would be no added cost of staying in Hotels.

I am saving $605.00 not chasing the points. And I am still getting Great Competition. Your series leader will not be the best wrestler, he will be the kid who can afford it.

Bingo!

I can assure you that if you are not freestyle and grecoing, being number one is not gonna happen. If our FS GR numbers don't increase, we can't get there. Plain and simple. We do well at all of the styles, but to take another step upward, we have to get more kids to FS GR.

I have to agree with Doug.

Then next year I will chase the points
See the best KS has to offer from ALL OVER THE STATE.
Skip Brute
And just about break even and get tons more matches.
Thanks Chad.
That's the kind of great advice I knew you were capable of.

And can you really add in Salina Maize and maybe Haysville if you go lol.
I mean you were already going to those anyway right.

I forgot the other cost. I would have to tell Goddard, Winfield, Valley Center, Bishop Carroll, Douglass, Mulvane, and probably Haysville that I could not attend their tournament because it was not a series tournament. Your District 2 Tournaments would have to be Derby, Maize, and The Wichita Classic. I would have to tell all those clubs that I would rather chase the series points instead of supporting them. Sorry, that is a cost I and Kansas Wrestling can not afford.

Just a question- has any of you guys that are posting on this thread had kids that wanted to win the oklahoma points series championship? and why don't we have several of our kansas tournie's involved in their series to start with? maybe to get some okies up here wrestling? can't hurt us at all? and im sure jerry scott would be glad to help us? could be kinda a dual state thing - I know he would help us, I've spoke with him about it. Some kids like to chase the points thing. The series thing is not a bad thing - you can partipate if you want, but you dont have to play either. Seems like if you only wrestle in kansas you see the same faces every weekend anyhow. And just for beeson - my kid liked the hoody and stocking cap they gave out for the winners. He liked the bling! What kid wouldn't like it. We had no issue paying one dollar more for the entry fee to a series tournie, whether or not my kid won. The series is an incentive for SOME kids - but it doesnt mean you'll be a state champion @ the end of the season.

Are you from Kansas? How many Series Tournaments in Oklahoma did you attend to get your bling?

Are their tournaments USAW sanctioned?

Jr High - 7 weeks (21 matches)
Kids - 14 tournaments (49 matches)
Total matches (70)
Different opponents (49)
Weight classes wrestled (2 - kept growing during the season)
Number of matches against the same opponent (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
Kids tournaments wrestled outside of D1 (5 - Salina, Lindsborg, Manhattan, Pratt, Chapman)
Matches wrestled outside Kansas (0) - until today (Middle School National Duals - Indianola, Iowa)

i guess if freestyle and greco are the only way kansas will take steps forward then maybe we should start looking at how to get that to grow. if its after a long 6 month season of folkstyle its not going to happen. those numbers will grow maybe at a small pace but i doubt kids that play football and baseball are going to want to do it for 7-8 months competatively. yeah you will have a few but alot would be better.

I don't think that we can really say the season is 6 months long. For a select few it is, but for the majority the season is about 3 months long. Look at tournaments, they really don't get into full swing until the 1st of January. Freestyle and Greco state was moved to May this year. So if the majority of the kids wrestled all three styles they would have a season of 5 months.

I think Doug is on the right track here. Improve Freestyle and Greco numbers. That is the way we need to be improving Kansas Wrestling. We need to make the Triple Crown more competitive.

most of the kids that would be wrestling freestyle and greco will be the ones starting practice in oct. and wrestling the oklahoma tournaments in early november.

trust me i wouldn't run. my advice is if you want something done then do it, it can be a success with or without you. sorry if i struck a nerve. i'm saying that the opposing views are great for proactive decision making, but the same points keep getting brought up, the same few keep saying the same things over and over, there really no new info, coming from the opposing voices. so my advice is yes go ahead and give it a shot. i suspect when it goes we will see you there. again no harm.

Chad, something to keep in mind is that USJOC requires USA cards, so a lot of those Okies do buy one, but only use it at USJOC, so that may not be as much of a deterrent as you might think. So as far as the KS series we are talking about, I still agree with you that I don't think it improves KS wrestling as a whole. No doubt the kids like the bling, but we are really after making kids better wrestlers. Someone earlier asked about "asking the kids". What do you think a kid is gonna say when you say "would you like to get a great big trophy for winning the Kansas Series?"?? He is gonna say yes of course. But is it going to imprve the sport in Kansas? I know BLT is really trying to do this to make it better, but too many others just want another award to hand their kid.

Here is something else to think about when you are talking about bringing kids in: once the first few tourneys are wrestled, kids are going to realize they are OUT of the points race, and not show up, and the numbers will thin out as you get deeper in the series.

If I were to back anything like this, it would have to only be tourneys like Salina, Western Kansas Classic, and Wichita Classic, after those two are split up. No offense to Maize, or other tourneys, but OVERALL I think the three tourneys above are the toughest. I know certain brackets at certain tourneys might be tougher, but overall, that is my opinon.

Chad, you and I might not agree on splitting the team up some weekends. If there is a kid or kids in our club that are not getting beat, he needs to go somewhere to test himself against different competition. We split up quite a bit during the season, but more times than not we are together, building some team spirit. There is plenty of time for that, so I think it is counterproductive to INSIST that the team all goes to the same tourneys.