KWCA and KCA is calling for proposals for KANSAS rule changes or modifications. Air your ideas here and let the discussion begin. Play nice!

5 match rule moved to 6 matches so teams can host 16 man bracket tournaments in a day and not have to default medal matches.

5 match rule!

Are they going to legitimately listen this year, or are we wasting our time? The 5 match rule is a no brainer. Also allowing training over Christmas and other breaks would be helpful. As well as the travel rule. I also like Will's idea of a certain amount of points that can only be used for weekday duals to get more fan support back.

Keep in Mind. . .the five match rule is an National Federation Competiton Rule. The KSHSAA DOES deviate from the NF in some PROCEDURAL areas (weigh-in and weight loss/descent plan), but not COMPETITION rules.

That said and in my opinion getting the five match rule changed for Kansas is closer than many might think. Also, imo, it will require COACHES contacting KSHSAA Exec Board members DIRECTLY, through the KWCA and INDIVIDUALLY to get it over the top.

Hopefully, it will be changed soon at the NF level as well.

badbo. . .the only true waste of time is to do nothing and then complain about there being no change.

500 mile travel rule needs to be changed. The number of matches in a day should be changed to at least 6. These two would be the two I vote for

I don't see that 500 mile limit being changed in the near future if ever.

I think the out of bounds rule needs to be changed and updated to the college rule or a form of the college rule of one foot in on the line. This would help prevent those boundary wrestlers from escaping the take down at the edge of the mat. This would make the mat wrestling area bigger and the wrestlers would have more opportunity to gain the take down.
5 match rule changed in a day competition to 6 if needed.

In alignment with the college rules, I would like to a see riding time rule in place.
I feel this would help our boys learn from both the top, as well as, the bottom positions. As the bottom wrestle feels more pressure to get out the top wrestler will have to strenghten their skills in riding.
It would also take a little more pressure off the officials.

Perhaps some added logic for a six match rule would be the distance Kansas teams have to travel to get to tournaments. Kansas is not a high density populated state---such as the BIG 10 Conference States--Ohio, Ill., Mich, Minn, Iowa??, plus the northeast and Atlantic Seaboard states. Kansas is not New Jersey, RI, Vermont!

The six match rule forces teams into bigger, 2 day tournaments (i.e., 16+++ teams). 2 day tournaments are very expensive for long distance traveling teams--its motels and eats or ride the bus for long hours on 2 days.

Perehaps tournament seeding shoulds be looked at--especially in Kansas. Big tournaments, such as the Bobcat Classic--a 32 team tournament, had some brackets that had 5, 6, 7, etc opens--which converts to lots of first round byes, and even a few second round byes. All tournaments have several teams that show up with opens, often less than half a roster. Oak Park, the Bobcat Champ, had only 10 wrestlers. Why have byes in the first round. Seed everyone? If there is an uneven number of wrestler in a weight class, not divisable by 2, then there would be only one bye--and then give the bye to a middle seeded wrestler. Have seen tournaments where the top seed/champion has wrestled only 2 matches. Make the top seeds work to win. Not sure how this would affect a bracket and the tournament flow as it got deeper into the bracket.

I know the college tournaments that I have helped seed and run, we draw in the byes. That helps to make sure the upper seeds still have a chance at a opening round match.

Riding time - similar to college rule

The six match rule forces teams into bigger, 2 day tournaments (i.e., 16+++ teams). 2 day tournaments are very expensive for long distance traveling teams--its motels and eats or ride the bus for long hours on 2 days.

I think it allows for more one day tournaments with 16 teams.

Riding time makes for boring matches. Make Kansas Refs start throwing the stall warning flags if neither wrestler is trying to improve his position.

I think 10-12 years ago the top wrestler could lockup a defender's leg and imobilize the bottom wrestler and ride for a whole period. Boring! Boring! Boring!. We already have enough laying around, twisting, half hearted pushing and pulling and fake grunting and groaning. We do not need to encourage more of this and reward it with riding points.

Also, why wrestle the first round of the losers bracket. Either win the opening round or go home early. Start the backside and cross bracketing at the old second round of the backside bracket.

Every tournament should be on Track Wrestling!

Contrarian,

What about when you have wrestled tough tournaments, and you are not one of the elite, but you are pretty good and get drawn in to the top seeds week in and week out? This would never give those kids a chance. I have had several kids lose their first match and rattle off three or four wins in a row after that.

100% for the 5 match rule. Kansas is always asking sometimes why kansas isnt as top rated in the US in wrestling. Well this is a good way to take that next step to getting there. Kansas NEEDS the 6 match rule. These kids work hard to wrestle so let them.

Last year, I got this info from Clark Connover, whose brother coaches in Iowa. He told me that this rule change has totally revitalized the sport of wrestling up there. Schools are able to add more weeknight duals, which in turn has made it more spectator friendly. This would be in place of the 30 competition points:
---Each school is permitted a maximum of fifteen (15) competition dates before the regional tournaments. There are no restrictions on how many schools may compete on any of the 15 dates as long as NFHS rules regarding the number of times each wrestler can compete in on day are not violated <<<for Kansas, it would be the 5-matches-in-a-day rule>>>. A two-day tournament counts as one competition / weigh-in date, even though wrestlers must weigh-in each day of the tournament.
---The date limitation pertains to individuals, as well as teams. (Example: A school may have 15 varsity dates, 15 JV dates, 15 9th grade dates, etc. The meet contract should stipulate which level(s) of competition is/are being wrestled. An individual wrestler can only compete on a total of 15 dates during the regular season. However, they may have multiple matches during on contest. A wrestler cannot be entered in two competitions at the same time.)

Either going along with this recommendation or as an option would be these rules:
---There shall be no exhibition matches. All matches shall be contracted.
---A wrestler shall not participate in JV and varsity competition against the same school, in the same contest.

If the 5 match rule is a National Federation Rule that Kansas will not change, then the alternative is to not creat the condiion that may require an individual to do more than five matches on 1 day. No more than 1 bye in the opening round, all first round losers go home early, and start the backside with cross bracketing in the (old ) second round of the losers bracket a way to stop the potential of a 6th match. Tough--but that's life. With first round losers going home early it puts the pressure on to insure winning early. Isn't success under pressure and stress what wrestling is about.