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12/20/11 05:27 PM
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Austin Tillman from Topeka High placed over Jaylen Padilla this week at emporia.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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12/20/11 06:11 PM
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Got that.
The next 6A update will be posted on January 10th!
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 Re: 6A Rankings!
[Re: Chief Renegade]
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01/25/12 03:39 AM
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I am somewhat confused about how wrestlers are ranked. I don't know or understand as much as I should about this sport, but to rank a wrestler with a record of winning less than half of his matches seems a little out of balance! This is especially true when a wrestler who has a 17 - 6 record with a win this year over the ranked wrestler hasn't been considered in the ranking process. Even more so when the wrestler not considered has wins over the #3-5A wrestler, the #5-5A wrestler, the #5-6A wrestler and the #6-4A wrestler all this season. His only losses in Kansas are to the #1-6A wrestler, the #1-4A wrestler, the #4-6A wrestler and one loss to a wrestler who has been ranked but is not at this time. To my knowledge the ranked wrestler in this reply had not defeated another ranked wrestler until this past week. I believe that more accurate records or research should be involved before deserving young men are left out or not even considered!
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 03:46 AM
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Summertime wrestling, makes wintertime champions
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 04:00 AM
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I think the name of the wrestler you are talking about and the wins he has would be better than a post that does not provide examples. Granted, sometimes mistakes are made in rankings but A LOT of time is spent doing them. Also, making a point why a wrestler should be ranked is great, but making a point about why a kid should not be is pushing it. Obviously if a kid is ranked he has done some work to justify it. mtc.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 10:55 AM
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I am somewhat confused about how wrestlers are ranked. I don't know or understand as much as I should about this sport, but to rank a wrestler with a record of winning less than half of his matches seems a little out of balance! This is especially true when a wrestler who has a 17 - 6 record with a win this year over the ranked wrestler hasn't been considered in the ranking process. Even more so when the wrestler not considered has wins over the #3-5A wrestler, the #5-5A wrestler, the #5-6A wrestler and the #6-4A wrestler all this season. His only losses in Kansas are to the #1-6A wrestler, the #1-4A wrestler, the #4-6A wrestler and one loss to a wrestler who has been ranked but is not at this time. To my knowledge the ranked wrestler in this reply had not defeated another ranked wrestler until this past week. I believe that more accurate records or research should be involved before deserving young men are left out or not even considered! Seeing that you are a former highschool coach for 17 years and a former highschool official who worked 25 Kansas State Tournaments, I am a little surprised by the lack of detail in your post. I did eventually realize who you are talking about. Yesterday, my friend sent me info about your wrestler, Jacob Wilgers from Maize. The information was sent to me after the 6A rankings had been released. I appreciated the info and told him that I would use that for the next 6A update. Having said that, Garrett Girard is wrestling much better these last two weeks. Their match on 1/7 was a 2-0 match! Girard has 9 losses at 120 pounds. He is 12-6 at 113. He has lost to Wilgers 2-0, 2X to Cheney, Vieyra in OT 1-0 and to Perez 2-1 and one other. I now understand that Wilgers has beaten Girard, Jones, Fields and Perez. I also know that he lost 8-1 to McCray. At the end of the day, the more information that I can get, the better.
Eric Johnson
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 12:42 PM
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Thank you for the time you spend promoting Kansas wrestling! My concern was not the amount of time put in. Many years ago a very bright man told me that "Time spent and work attempted does not always equal Quality".
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 01:10 PM
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And if the Chief was getting paid for his efforts, we could then expect something close to perfection. His volunteer time,not just on these rankings, has done a lot to promote kansas wrestlers/wrestling. Quit being an idiot about it, and just tell Chief names, matches, criteria, etc. You're the one looking like a fool, not Chief. A private message also would have saved you from looking like a fool.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 01:29 PM
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And sometimes it is best to just keep your pie hole shut and let wrestlers wrestle. If you need a piece of paper with a ranking on it, I am sure someone could print it off for you.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 02:01 PM
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Ex-heights Coach- I look forward to your rankings soon. As you seem to feel like Chief's rankings are not to your standards.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 02:16 PM
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Ex-Heights coach...maybe that same smart man should have told you, "don't look a gift horse in the mouth". If you really think you can give more time and a better effort than Chief does on the rankings...then run with it! Oh yeah, don't forget to sprinkle quality on top of it. It's one thing to send criteria to back up an arguement, or even to question in a courteous manner, but it is a completely different thing to be insulting. I wouldn't know Chief if I ran into him but appreciate his efforts that give me...a wrestling dad...something to chew on each week.
And since one of the rules of this forum is to give your name whenenver you type a disparraging remark, I suggest you sign your submissions, or instead just stick to one that reads insteads of posts.
Keith Heniss...can be found at most GEHS wrestling events.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 02:44 PM
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It's not where you finish at the end of the year, but what you were ranked. LOL
Thanks for all your efforts Chief!
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01/25/12 02:59 PM
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The bottom line is this, Chiefs rankings are only as good as the input is from fans and coaches. He can't cover every single match in two days. Just PM him if your kid has criteria to be ranked!!
Kevin P. Kriss
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 03:13 PM
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Isn't a recent head to head win the first "criteria" that is looked at when ranking wrestlers? The other loss that Girard has is to Whitson from Emporia (who Wilgers has beaten twice). Has Girard wrestled Mccray (from Heights)? Your extraordinary efforts with the rankings are not being questioned here. I am just trying to understand how you make your decisions. Thanks.
"A spoon cannot taste of the food it carries. Likewise, a foolish man cannot understand the wise manīs wisdom even if he associates with a sage."
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Re: 6A Rankings!
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01/25/12 03:24 PM
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Isn't a recent head to head win the first "criteria" that is looked at when ranking wrestlers? The other loss that Girard has is to Whitson from Emporia (who Wilgers has beaten twice). Has Girard wrestled Mccray (from Heights)? I am just trying to understand how you make your decisions. Thanks.
When comparing just two wrestlers, head to head is the first criteria. When you add others to the mix it becomes tougher. As an example, if we were comparing McCray to Wilgers, McCray would be ranked higher. He has other losses that change that decision. The bottom line here is that I received the criteria information AFTER the release of the KWCA 6A Rankings. As of now, after looking at all the criteria, I WOULD rank Wilgers ahead of Girard. We have wrestling action this weekend and the next release date is next Tuesday.
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Re: 6A Rankings!
[Re: Chief Renegade]
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01/25/12 04:43 PM
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If the definition of a fool is to question and to state accurate facts, then I qualify as a fool, and will always be one.
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