Highschool weights
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11/10/11 07:12 PM
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Has there been any talk of adding the 98lb class again since they raised the weight to 106?
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11/10/11 10:32 PM
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Has there been any talk of adding the 98lb class again since they raised the weight to 106? This is only a guess. I don't think we will see anything below 106 for a long time.
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11/15/11 07:09 PM
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The new weights are totally asinine. But we already new that didn't we, we already discussed that didn't we. If you need any more proof that somebody wasn't thinking when they suggested the new weights, one must only look at one of the most recently contested legit tournaments, Denver's Monster Match Nationals. 126, 132, 138 and 145 all had over 36 kids per bracket. Meanwhile 170, 182, 195, 220 and 285 all had less than 10 per bracket. Win one match and get a medal. In the before mentioned brackets, win 5 on the backside just to finish top 8. Again, all the change did was make the "toughest" weights tougher and the "easiest" weights easier. How could we let this happen? Oh well, what's done is done, stop complaining, life's not fair, deserves got nothing to do with it, get over it, deal with it, deal with the hand you're dealt, it is what it is, make the best of it, adapt, overcome, work harder, conceive, believe, achieve, etc. etc. etc. ya, ya, bite me, with all due respect.
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/15/11 07:13 PM
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The new weights are totally asinine. But we already new that didn't we, we already discussed that didn't we. If you need any more proof that somebody wasn't thinking when they suggested the new weights, one must only look at one of the most recently contested legit tournaments, Denver's Monster Match Nationals. 126, 132, 138 and 145 all had over 36 kids per bracket. Meanwhile 170, 182, 195, 220 and 285 all had less than 10 per bracket. Win one match and get a medal. In the before mentioned brackets, win 5 on the backside just to finish top 8. Again, all the change did was make the "toughest" weights tougher and the "easiest" weights easier. How could we let this happen? Oh well, what's done is done, stop complaining, life's not fair, deserves got nothing to do with it, get over it, deal with it, deal with the hand you're dealt, it is what it is, make the best of it, adapt, overcome, work harder, conceive, believe, achieve, etc. etc. etc. ya, ya, bite me, with all due respect. If this was a recent tournament, wouldn't it be safe to say most of the kids listed in the upper weights were still competing on the football field and would be less likely to compete at one of these type of tournaments. If you compared the last few years participation numbers with this years and saw a significant drop than you might have something there, but this anecdotal evidence in and of itself doesn't say much about tougher/easier weights.
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/15/11 08:16 PM
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While you do have a point about FB, there is nothing "anecdotal" at all about anything I said, it is merely fact. I highly doubt that over 25 kids in each of those "weaker" weights mentioned was not there because they were playing FB which I might add was already over for half of the schools. Also I could say that some of the smaller kids were at soccer or cross-country or whatever. If you look at the results of Brute, which is in the spring, you will find the same types of numbers. The upper weights are "weaker" overall, get over it, with all due respect that is, and I will get over the fact that what's done is done, stop complaining, life's not fair, deserves got nothing to do with it, get over it, deal with it, deal with the hand you're dealt, it is what it is, make the best of it, adapt, overcome, work harder, conceive, believe, achieve, etc. etc. etc. ya, ya, bite me, with all due respect, sincerely.
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/16/11 03:21 AM
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Man you are so right on this weight class junk. I think one solution to fix this mess would be to change the rule so a kid can jump up 7 weight classes. That way ripped 126 lbers could jump up and wrestle those weak 170 and 182 lbers. That would show them where the wussies really reside.
"anecdotal" numbers -28 kids show up for first day of practice -number of kids 126 lbs and below........2 -number of kids 160 to 195 lbs...........13
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/16/11 02:39 PM
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Not sure which direction you are trying to go with the comment but I did laugh. Couple of things to point out though. Not sure why you chose to emphasis 126 and below because I am not talking about 126 and below. I am talking about 126 to say 145 or 152. And I was not talking necessarily about 170 or 182. The point was they took out a middle weight and added a heavier weight which is totally illogical in my opinion. Also no one said anything about any "wussies" and bigger kids not being "studs". The point is there is just a whole lot less of them than the studs in the middle weights. I guarentee if you go in to most wrestling rooms, even after FB season, then you will see just a few kids over 200 maybe even just a couple or even less but you will see a load of middle weights and some of them will be dang good wrestlers that won't even make first team, especially in the top programs. In my opinion the weights were fine the way they were and I cannot understand why a change was made. It is like going into a successful clothing store and saying, hey, lets remove a clothing size in the middle and add one on the big end. It would seem as if somebody had to have had an agenda.
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/16/11 06:19 PM
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I'm all about getting kids competition and the best are deserving. but if we did have a 98lb weight class 75% of the kids would be freshman. Nothing against a smaller kid but in no other varsity sport would they create or add a class or division to make it easier for freshman to be a part of a varsity team. Not trying to say freshman can't beat seniors or that they are not talented.
Another thought:
New weights might make for healthier younger wrestlers. Grade school kids do worry about their weight and in a lot of instances cut weight. Does this mentality change a little for a young wrestler / coach / or parent? Less focus on cutting weight when younger might be a positive.
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11/16/11 10:14 PM
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In most cases a 95lb highschool kid is not going to be very tall, so basketball is out! He does not want to get killed by a 115lb kid that cuts to 106lbs, therefore he never attempts wrestling and we lost a kid from the sport! I have seen kids wrestling 103lb weighin fully clothed and eating a burger, most kids that size cannot and are not interested in cutting weight but still love the sport. At 103lbs last year there were 24 state placers in which only 6 where freshman! If you have been to any kids tournaments lately you will see that Kansas has probably the best light wrestlers in the country in the 12u division! Look at the recent monster and big horn results for proof. I just dont see them gaining 35lbs to 40lbs in 2 years!
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/16/11 11:12 PM
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Back in the early to mid '80s it was 98. Then, somewhere along the way it went to 103. This year, 106. I honestly don't think it will go back down, but I also don't think it should be bumped up again in the future. There are a lot of very talented wrestlers that would still be challenged due to giving up weight wrestling at 103. The starting weight class should not get bumped again in my opinion, but again, I don't see it going back down.
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11/17/11 02:10 AM
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It is to my understanding (but i could be wrong) that by vote of the activities association Kansas could adopt or add a 98 lb class. We do not comply with the NFHS weigh in procedure anyway. So we could have one, i have know idea what it would take to make that happen. Someone can correct me if i am wrong.
Brandon Pigorsch Head Wrestling Coach Clay Center Community High School
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11/17/11 10:30 AM
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It is to my understanding (but i could be wrong) that by vote of the activities association Kansas could adopt or add a 98 lb class. We do not comply with the NFHS weigh in procedure anyway. So we could have one, i have know idea what it would take to make that happen. Someone can correct me if i am wrong. The weight classifications approved for all dual meets and tournaments by the New York State Public High School Athletic Association are 99, 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 145, 152, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, and 285.
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/17/11 04:40 PM
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Maybe 6 freshman placed but look at all the classes. how many sophomores, junior, and seniors? I did look at preseason rankings at 106lbs for this year and there is only 1 senior ranked in all of the classes. 1 Senior in 5A ranked 6th.
When thinking about all weight classes wouldn't the sport in general want to maximize Juniors and Seniors wrestling in a starting line-up.
It does stink for a little guy and I do understand the frustration. I am just trying to look at it from different angle. We are talking about 3lbs and if 3lbs turns you away from wrestling then maybe it wasn't meant to be.
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Re: Highschool weights
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11/19/11 03:51 AM
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If we are voting to do one more thing against the NFHS rules, I would much rather add a 6th match (for placing purposes only) in 1 day than a 98 lb class.
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