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Re: 321 rankings? [Re: effwhyeye] #198116 02/01/12 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: effwhyeye
Have you taken over for Brown? Not complaining, just curious.


No, he hasn't taken over for Coach Brown. If you check the 3A rankings, Coach Brown has the 1/31 update. I think it's a great testament to both men, that on each of their top 4 they almost always agree on at least 3 wrestlers (often slightly different order). That's very good when the slightest things can affect a wrestler on any given day.

I was going to argue with both for leaving off a certain wrestler at 170, but then I checked last weekend's results and understand why they did. As always, there are quite a number of wrestlers out there who are just off the lists, that will make some noise come regionals/state. Kudos to both for all their time and efforts!

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: effwhyeye] #198117 02/01/12 10:57 PM
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Calhoon record is correct as stated. They did have him down as 4 losses after Paola, not 3 which he actually has--but that was incorrect as he had a 5 match limit and loss of coin flip determined one match. This however should NOT go down as an individual match lost against his record (unless I am mistaken) as a match was not actually wrestled.

As far as his opponents. He has lost 2 close ones against very quality 4A opponents who are in top 4 ranked in that class. --one being an 8 to 5 loss to Andrew Morgan of Baldwin and also a 7 to 3 decision to Joe Wolfe of Tonganoxie.

..really wish that he had chance to go up against more 3A opponents as the only 3A opponent he wrestled he pinned so you are right in that he hasnt had the chance to truly see where he measures up against 3A.
~ Among his favorable wins within last year are pinfalls over Garrett Matthews of Royal Valley and Kyle Wilson of Wamego. At HS Kids State this past year he dropped matches to current 4A top ranked Aaron Engles of Andale 9 to 6 and current 5A ranked Anthony Monares of Newton 13 to 6.

Unfortunately, he co-ops with 4A classification-Atchison HS and wrestles their schedule. Just putting his name out for consideration, as it is the next few weeks wrestled on the mat that is going to matter the most. Thanks Eureka wrestler15.

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: On_the_Mat] #198118 02/01/12 11:12 PM
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No problem. I just can't justify putting him into the rankings at this point. But we'll let the matches at Hays decide the final rankings.

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Kakemono] #198124 02/01/12 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kakemono
Originally Posted By: effwhyeye
Have you taken over for Brown? Not complaining, just curious.


No, he hasn't taken over for Coach Brown. If you check the 3A rankings, Coach Brown has the 1/31 update. I think it's a great testament to both men, that on each of their top 4 they almost always agree on at least 3 wrestlers (often slightly different order). That's very good when the slightest things can affect a wrestler on any given day.

I was going to argue with both for leaving off a certain wrestler at 170, but then I checked last weekend's results and understand why they did. As always, there are quite a number of wrestlers out there who are just off the lists, that will make some noise come regionals/state. Kudos to both for all their time and efforts!


No, I've not taken over for Coach Brown. I just enjoy doing the rankings in my free time in college. I'm a communications major so this is an easy way to bump up my portfolio of work. Coach Brown and I do tend to disagree here and there. But some of those variances are because with his teaching, coaching, and family duties he doesn't have the most time. When I see a glaring difference I generally try to alert him.

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Wyatt Bechtel] #198125 02/01/12 11:33 PM
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I've updated my rankings because I missed some previous state bracket results involving the 220 lb. weight class. Austin Veach of Doniphan West had criteria over several wrestlers in my rankings and I had overlooked last year's results.

1. Riley Oharah-Goodland-12
2. Tanner Taylor-Burlington-12
3. Austin Veach-Doniphan West-12
4. Cody Batt-Hosington-12
5. Jaishawn Bahia-Republic County-12
6. Kane Washington-Hoxie-11

Here is the bracket in question: http://www.321wrestling.org/official_web/321statebrk014.htm

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Wyatt Bechtel] #198728 02/08/12 01:04 AM
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1. Goodland
2. Scott City
3. Hoxie
4. Oberlin
5. Hosington
6. Burlington
7. Plainville
8. Smith Center
9. Caney Valley
10. Phillipsburg
Individual Rankings .
106
1. Trey Francka-Chase Co-11
2. Josh Goepfert-Marysville-11
3. Khamin Crow-Silver Lake-11
4. Brady Lowell-Republic Co. 11
5. Kolton Stalford-Caney Valley-9
6. Kyle Wittmer-Phillipsburg-11

113
1. Joey Defore-Dexter-10
2. James Jurgens-Scott City-9
3. Haegan Schaefer-Silver Lake-9
4. John Solko-Rawlins Co.-11
5. Clint Rogers-Smith Center-10
6. Tony Weber-Pleasant Ridge-10

120
1. Alex Kough-Scott City-11
2. John Risewick-Norton-11
3. Austin Avelar-Goodland-12
4. Brandon Ball-Hoisington-10
5. Jake Elbrader-Burlington-10
6. Kordell Burch-Douglas-12

126
1. Dylan Schumacher-TMP-12
2. Dayton Dreher-Oberlin-10
3. Daniel Melcher-Heringon-11
4. Justin Wagoner-ACCHS-11
5. Hunter Speer-Horton-12
6. Alec Hager-Norton-10

132
1. Brogan Humphrey-Fredonia-10
2. Kasey Biddle-Central Burden-11
3. Clay Mulligan-Scott City-12
4. Riley Soward-Halstead-12
5. Brett Juenemann-Oberlin-12
6. Drew Jones-Hoxie-12

138
1. Calvin Ochs-Hoxie-11
2. Brody Carroll-Marion-12
3. Michael Duslin-Phillipsburg-10
4. James Landoll-Marysville-11
5. Rex Trahan-Minneapolis-12
6. Jacob Schroeder-Silver Lake-11

145
1. Tagen Lambotte-Rossville-10
2. Kade Brown-Oberlin-11
3. Gage Younger-Ellis-11
4. Bowe Behymer-Beloit-10
5. Eddie Creek-Marysville-12
6. Chance Demel-Hosington-11

152
1. Ky Biddle-Central Burden-12
2. Jared Johnson-Pleasant Ridge-11
3. Dalton Snyder-Hoxie-11
4. John Peden-Goodland-10
5. Mark Smith-Rossville-12
6. Kregg Clarke-Lyons-12

160
1. Eric Albers-Oakley-12
2. Matt Schneider-Phillipsburg-12
3. Colten Johnson-Marion-12
4. Hunter Stalford-Caney Valley-12
5. Riley Hunsicker-Ellis-12
6. Derek Tyler-St. Marys-12

170
1. Harrison Gilliard-Palinville-11
2. Josh Hoch-Burlington-12
3. Jesse LeMay-Wellsville-12
4. Jason Cowan-Goodland-12
5. Jason Berkgren-Oakley-11
6. Derek Bayless-Caney Valley-11

182
1. Tyler Lowe-Eureaka-12
2. Brock Long-SES-11
3. Brandon Salmans-Hoxie-11
4. Eric Hellerud-Hosington-11
5. Kyle Atwood-Smith Center-11
6. Nathan Thyfault-Plainville-12

195
1. Colt Castlebury-Douglas-11
2. Lane Herl-Goodland-11
3. Josh McDowell-Smith Center-12
4. Auggie Schmidt-Bluestem-11
5. Clayton Janousek-Hoisington-11
6. Kyle Murphy-Bennington-12

220
1. Riley Oharah-Goodland-12
2. Tanner Taylor-Burlington-12
3. Austin Veach-Doniphan West-12
4. Cody Batt-Hoisington-11
5. Channing Fortin-Oberlin-11
6. Kane Washington-Hoxie-11

285
1. Clay Wilcox-Chaparral-11
2. Luke Hayes-Scott City-12
3. Jacob English-Beloit-12
4. Trevin Edelman-Sabetha-12
5. Gus Farthing-Burlington-10
6. Bradley Chard-Plainville-11



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Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Coach Brown] #198734 02/08/12 01:47 AM
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At 120 Jake Albrader from Burlington lost to Tough Onega kid. I think his name was Beck


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Re: 321 rankings? [Re: DeMaranville] #198737 02/08/12 02:44 AM
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Yeah my 120lber lost to Andrew Beck as well, thanks for the information.


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He is from Centralia but wrestles for Onaga, was in the Sabetha kids club for a few years.Nice young man.


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Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Coach Brown] #198740 02/08/12 03:24 AM
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You have Luke Hayes ranked 2nd behind clay Wilcox. Luke beat Clay at the Garden city tourney.

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Dodge] #198754 02/08/12 02:00 PM
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I wonder if this is wrong, as they have Luke ranked 3rd all class, and Wilcox 8th all class, but they have Wilcox #1 in 321A and Luke #2 in 321A

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: L.Geyer] #198756 02/08/12 02:07 PM
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Same thing here

All Class
195:
1. Laine Herl - 12 - GDL - 321A - 25-1
2. Ulyesses DeShazer - 12 - WH - 6A - 22-2
3. Colt Castlebury - 12 - DOU - 321A - 30-1

321A
195
1. Colt Castlebury-Douglas-11
2. Lane Herl-Goodland-11

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Summertime wrestling, makes wintertime champions
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L.Geyer and powercat1,

Two different rankers; two different opinions...AP vs USA Today scenerio.

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: powercat1] #198766 02/08/12 04:23 PM
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The 321A Rankings are done by Coach Brown and the All-Class Rankings are done by Eric Johnson.

Different Rankers = Different Opinions!


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Re: 321 rankings? [Re: RJW1] #198770 02/08/12 05:26 PM
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Yes I do realize that, but I was merely saying that with that big of a differnce in rankings between All class and 321A, is not generally seen. I do realize that they may differ some with different rankers. I also appreciate the individuals who do rank these athletes, as it gives me something to do while I am supposed to be working. :):)

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: L.Geyer] #198780 02/08/12 08:27 PM
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Within the All Class Rankings, there is often only 1 or 2 points separating some of those at the top and bottom.

Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Kakemono] #198784 02/08/12 09:35 PM
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Here is my take on this weeks rankings. The only changes were at 120.

1. Goodland
2. Scott City
3. Hoisington
4. Hoxie
5. Oberlin
6. Burlington
7. Smith Center
8. Caney Valley
9. Marysville
10. Central Burden

106
1. Trey Francka-Chase Co.-11
2. Josh Goepfert-Marysville-11
3. Khamin Crow-Silver Lake-9
4. Kolton Stalford-Caney Valley-9
5. Brady Lowell-Republic Co.-11
6. Branson Addington-Norton-10

113
1. Joey Defore-Dexter-10
2. James Jurgens-Scott City-9
3. John Solko-Rawlins Co.-11
4. Haegan Schaefer-Silver Lake-9
5. Clint Rogers-Smith Center-10
6. Ethan Wessling-Beloit-12

120
1. Alex Kough-Scott City-11
2. John Risewick-Norton-11
3. Brandon Ball-Hoisington-10
4. Austin Avelar-Goodland-12
5. Andrew Beck-Centralia-10
6. Jake Elbrader-Burlington-10

126
1. Dylan Schumacher-TMP-12
2. Dayton Dreher-Oberlin-10
3. Daniel Melcher-Herington-11
4. Justin Wagner-ACCHS-10
5. Hunter Speer-Horton-12
6. Alec Hager-Norton-10

132
1. Brogan Humphrey-Fredonia-10
2. Clay Mulligan Scott City-12
3. Kasey Biddle-Central Burden-11
4. Riley Soward-Halstead-12
5. Brent Jueneman-Oberlin-11
6. Drew Jones-Hoxie-12

138
1. Calvin Ochs-Hoxie-11
2. Brody Carroll-Marion-11
3. Michael Dusin-Phillipsburg-10
4. James Landoll-Marysville-11
5. Zach Sanders-Hoisington-11
6. Rex Trahan-Minneapolis-12

145
1. Tagen Lambotte-Rossville-10
2. Kade Brown-Oberlin-11
3. Chance Demel-Hoisington-11
4. Gage Younger-Ellis-11
5. Bowe Behymer-Beloit-10
6. Eddie Creek-Marysville-12

152
1. Ky Biddle-Central Burden-12
2. Dalton Snyder-Hoxie-11
3. Jared Johnson-Pleasant Ridge-11
4. John Peden-Goodland-10
5. Mark Smith-Rossville-12
6. Kregg Clarke-Lyons-12

160
1. Eric Albers-Oakley-12
2. Hunter Stalford-Caney Valley-12
3. Matt Schneider-Phillipsburg-12
4. Riley Hunsicker-Ellis-12
5. Nick Wuthnow-Salina Sacred Heart-10
6. Colten Johnson-Marion-12

170
1. Harrison Gilliland-Plainville-11
2. Josh Hoch-Burlington-12
3. Jesse LeMay-Wellsville-12
4. Jason Cowan-Goodland-12
5. Jason Berkgren-Oakley-11
6. Derek Bayless-Caney Valley-12

182
1. Tyler Lowe-Eureka-12
2. Brock Long-SES-12
3. Eric Hellerud-Hosington-11
4. Brandon Salmans-Hoxie-11
5. Kyler Atwood-Smith Center-11
6. Tyler Gastineau-Goodland-10

195
1. Colt Castlebury-Douglass-12
2. Lane Herl-Goodland-11
3. Josh McDowell-Smith Center-12
4. Cayton Janousek-Hoisington-11
5. Kyle Murphy-Bennington-12
6. Augie Schmidt-Bluestem-12

220
1. Riley Oharah-Goodland-12
2. Tanner Taylor-Burlington-12
3. Austin Veach-Doniphan West-12
4. Cody Batt-Hosington-12
5. Jaishawn Bahia-Republic County-12
6. Kane Washington-Hoxie-11

285
1. Luke Hayes-Scott City-12
2. Clay Wilcox-Chaparral-11
3. Jacob English-Beloit-12
4. Trevin Edelman-Sabetha-12
5. Bradley Chard-Plainville-11
6. Kyler Besher-SES-12

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Re: 321 rankings? [Re: Dodge] #198822 02/09/12 01:06 PM
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coach Brown you have at 220 Fortin from Oberlin ranked 5th and Washington from Hoxie ranked 6th. Should be the other way around.

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Number 2 Scott City beats number 1 Goodland 48 to 30 tonight.

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Originally Posted By: Dodge
Number 2 Scott City beats number 1 Goodland 48 to 30 tonight.


Impressive, but that is a dual which is not the same as a state tournament. Either way the team race will be interesting in Hays this year.


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