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 Newton or Bobcat??
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Opinions on which tournament is tougher this year? Not past years or inherently...let's talk this year. Maybe give some supporting reasoning for the opinion.
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 03:38 PM
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RANKED TEAMS:
#1 - Collinsville, OK
#1 - Blue Springs, MO
#1 - Andale
#2 - STA
#2 - St. James
#3 - Pittsburg
#4 - Bonner Springs
#5 - Oak Park, MO
#5 - Goddard
#6 - Mountain Range, CO
#6 - Clay Center
#6 - Platte County, MO
#7 - Junction City
#7 - Rossville
#7 - Topeka Seaman
#9 - Baldwin
#9 - SM East
#10 - Lansing
BOBCAT is tougher.
I am pretty sure there are more ranked wrestlers there. More Fargo All Americans and more teams. More out of state teams too.
Will Cokeley
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 04:09 PM
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Newton has 14 ranked KS teams and 1 ranked out of state team.
Bobcat has 13 ranked KS teams and 5 ranked out of state teams.
Newton has 2 #1 ranked teams.
Bobcat has 3 #1 ranked teams.
Newton has 17 #1 ranked KS wrestlers.
Bobcat has 14 #1 ranked KS wrestlers.
Dang close!!!!!
Eric Johnson
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 04:24 PM
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It's the out of state teams that tip the scale in Bobcat's favor. There are 3 more #1's from out of state teams at Newton. 11 more #1's from the out of state teams at Bobcat.
Both tournaments are insanely tough.
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 04:33 PM
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It is too bad that they are both the same weekend. If they were not then teams could go to both. Which would make both of them tougher!
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 04:51 PM
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NEWTON Tournament
Attending this year: Andover Central, Ark City, Bishop Carroll, Colby, Derby, Dodge City, Emporia, Garden City, Gardner Edgerton, Hutchinson, Lawrence, Leavenworth, Liberal, Maize, Maize South, Manhattan, McPherson, Mill Valley, Newton, Norton, Salina South, Tulsa Union, OK, Wichita Heights, Wichita NW
RANKED TEAMS
#1 – Lawrence
#1 – Newton
#2 - Manhattan
#2 – Ark City
#3 – Gardner-Edgerton
#4 – Wichita Heights
#4 – Andover Central
#4 - McPherson
#6 – Derby
#5 – Garden City
#7 – Wichita NW
#7 – Colby
#9 - Emporia
#9 - Dodge City
#20 – Tulsa Union, OK (that is #20 NATIONALLY, folks!)
Add to Bobcat - #1 - Blue Springs, MO (Honorable Mention National rankings)
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 05:14 PM
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as badbo says, both are insanely tough!!!!
It comes down to building for the state tournament:
GE has already seen these teams wrestling at Bobcat:
#1 - Blue Springs, MO
#2 - STA
#2 - St. James
#3 - Pittsburg
#4 - Bonner Springs
#5 - Oak Park, MO
#6 - Platte County, MO
#7 - Topeka Seaman
#9 - Baldwin
#9 - SM East
#10 - Lansing
But GE Will see these for the first time at Newton:
Andover Central,
Ark City,
Colby,
Derby,
Dodge City,
Emporia,
Garden City,
Hutchinson,
Leavenworth,
Liberal,
Maize,
Maize South,
Manhattan,
McPherson,
Newton,
Norton,
Salina South,
Tulsa Union, OK,
Wichita Heights,
Wichita NW
Love to see Colby and Norton from out west.
Makes sense to be at Newton.
The older I get the better I was!
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 05:54 PM
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I think it is also safe to say that either of these tournaments is tougher...or at least as tough...as state for any class.
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 06:05 PM
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Any wrestler that places at either of these can call it a good weekend. Lots of good wrestler that were never able to place.
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 06:51 PM
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Where can I find a wrestler list for The Bobcat?
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 06:57 PM
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106:
#1 - Jeffries - OK
#1 - Teaney - OP
#1 - Cokeley - SJA
#1 - Leach - GD
#2 - Henes - STA
#4 - Eck - AN
#5 - Barmann - PC
#5 - Kester - PT
#6 - Seaton - BS
#6 - Bowen - ACC
113:
#1 - Hensley - SJA
#1 - Moody - OK
#2 - Mies - AN
#3 - Cheney - TUR
#5 - Haug - ON
#5 - Ortega - GD
#6 - Seidel - OP
#6 - Seaton - BS
#6 - Gooch - STA
120:
#1 - Perkins - OP
#1 - Dulgarian - STA
#3 - Perez - JC
#3 - Jordan - OK
#3 - Kolterman - CC
#5 - Himple - TG
#6 - Pittman - SEA
126:
#1 - Lewis - BLS
#1 - Harding - OK
#1 - Schumacher - TMP
#1 - Olsen - LS
#2 - Apodaca - MR
#2 - Shoemaker - BAL
#5 - Tolliver - PC
#5 - Wagner - ACC
#6 - Tujague - SJA
132:
#1 - Wood - PC
#1 - Pursel - LS
#1 - Helm - OK
#1 - Randolph - SME
#2 - Durosette - FS
#5 - Miller - AN
#6 - Ikenberry - STA
#6 - Wolf - TG
138:
#1 - Lapaglia - BLS
#2 - Mitze - MR
#2 - Hughes - FS
#2 - Williams - STA
#3 - Millsap - JC
#5 - Watkins - COL
#7 - Steltzen - OK
#10 - Cervantes - OP
145:
#1 - Lambotte - ROS
#1 - Blackwell - BS
#2 - Seybold - PT
#2 - Hegarty - BLS
#2 - Lemon - GD
#4 - Bjorgo - BV
#6 - Pratt - SJA
#6 - Wurtz - ON
#6 - Fuller - SEA
#8 - Poos - PC
152:
#1 - Yarrow - CC
#1 - Haug - ON
#2 - Abkemeyer - OK
#2 - Hobson - BS
#2 - Kimple - GD
#3 - Armstrong - AN
#3 - Miller - PC
#3 - Smith - ROS
#5 - Kadous - SEA
#6 - Hendrickson - BV
#6 - Wagner - ACC
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#2 - Duhr - AN
#2 - Guillen - SEA
#3 - Grater - CC
#3 - Pixley - BLS
#3 - Hill - SME
#4 - Barton - OK
#4 - Puckett - BS
#4 - Barton - OK
#5 - Ewing - STA
#6 - DeHerrera - MR
170:
#1 - Eck - AN
#1 - Lattner - BLS
#2 - Hill - SME
#2 - Cool - SEA
#3 - Salsbury - SJA
#5 - Perz - STA
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#2 - Wilson - LFS
#2 - Koehn - PT
#4 - Hutchins - BLS
#4 - Dyer - OK
#4 - Henness - PAO
#5 - Padilla - JC
#9 - Hon - PC
195:
#1 - Omari - OP
#2 - VanDerWerff - LS
#3 - Stanley - SEA
#4 - Brown - BLS
#5 - Cole - PIP
#6 - Priddy - OK
#6 - Houser - COL
220:
#2 - Reyes - BLS
#2 - Dreiling - MR
#2 - Fitzgerald - SFT
#4 - Bonner - BAL
#4 - Salisbury - OK
#5 - Avalos - PT
#6 - Posey - JC
#6 - Kissinger - TG
285:
#1 - Cervantes - OP
#2 - Mason - STA
#2 - Bennett - PT
#2 - Rafalko - JC
#3 - Woodruff - GD
#4 - Pomatto - PAO
#5 - King - PIP
#6 - Hall - SEA
#6 - Clark - BLS
#8 - Knopp - PC
#9 - Morales - MR
Is Matt Reed wrestling or playing football this weekend?
Will Cokeley
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 07:00 PM
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 07:21 PM
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Thank the Chief. I just cut and pasted his work. As you can see, the out of state wrestlers at the Bobcat make it an easy pick as the tougher tournament.
Will Cokeley
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 07:52 PM
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Is there a complete list of wrestlers available anywhere?
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 09:28 PM
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I have always championed Newton as the premier Kansas tournament, it is dang tough no doubt.
But since my son got into HS and I became more exposed to and informed about Basehor Linwood and the tournament also got tougher over his HS career, I have felt that BL was at least as tough if not tougher. Now with all the newer teams added the last few years and especially latest additions of out of state teams at BL this year, there is no question in my mind about BL being tops. I will say though that Newton also seems tougher than it was a few years ago. I know that this is just one weight I am talking about, but my son would draw a #3 at Newton whereas he will draw #5 at BL unless there is somebody else we don't know about.
But what about Garden City, how does that stack up this year? I know many, especially Will, have championed GC in the past as the best. How is it now?
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 11:38 PM
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Was talking with our coach about this subject today and what we agreed is great to see are the increasing number of out of state schools crossing the borders to compete in Kansas. Newton, Bobcat and I believe we had 6 out of state schools at our home tourney @ GE representing 3 states. And these are quality programs coming in to compete. Very encouraging.
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/11/12 11:56 PM
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No offense to any of the wrestlers @ 138 but Steltzen even being ranked #7 in Ok hes an equivalent to some of the #2-3s in the 138 class here in Ks.
Kevin Seybold
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Re: Newton or Bobcat??
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01/12/12 12:42 AM
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106:
#1 - Jeffries - OK
#1 - Teaney - OP
#1 - Cokeley - SJA
#1 - Leach - GD
#2 - Henes - STA
#4 - Eck - AN
#5 - Barmann - PC
#5 - Kester - PT
#6 - Seaton - BS
#6 - Bowen - ACC
113:
#1 - Hensley - SJA
#1 - Moody - OK
#2 - Mies - AN
#3 - Cheney - TUR
#5 - Haug - ON
#5 - Ortega - GD
#6 - Seidel - OP
#6 - Seaton - BS
#6 - Gooch - STA
120:
#1 - Perkins - OP
#1 - Dulgarian - STA
#3 - Perez - JC
#3 - Jordan - OK
#3 - Kolterman - CC
#5 - Himple - TG
#6 - Pittman - SEA
126:
#1 - Lewis - BLS
#1 - Harding - OK
#1 - Schumacher - TMP
#1 - Olsen - LS
#2 - Apodaca - MR
#2 - Shoemaker - BAL
#5 - Tolliver - PC
#5 - Wagner - ACC
#6 - Tujague - SJA
132:
#1 - Wood - PC
#1 - Pursel - LS
#1 - Helm - OK
#1 - Randolph - SME
#2 - Durosette - FS
#5 - Miller - AN
#6 - Ikenberry - STA
#6 - Wolf - TG
138:
#1 - Lapaglia - BLS
#2 - Mitze - MR
#2 - Hughes - FS
#2 - Williams - STA
#3 - Millsap - JC
#5 - Watkins - COL
#7 - Steltzen - OK
#10 - Cervantes - OP
145:
#1 - Lambotte - ROS
#1 - Blackwell - BS
#2 - Seybold - PT
#2 - Hegarty - BLS
#2 - Lemon - GD
#4 - Bjorgo - BV
#6 - Pratt - SJA
#6 - Wurtz - ON
#6 - Fuller - SEA
#8 - Poos - PC
152:
#1 - Yarrow - CC
#1 - Haug - ON
#2 - Abkemeyer - OK
#2 - Hobson - BS
#2 - Kimple - GD
#3 - Armstrong - AN
#3 - Miller - PC
#3 - Smith - ROS
#5 - Kadous - SEA
#6 - Hendrickson - BV
#6 - Wagner - ACC
160:
#2 - Duhr - AN
#2 - Guillen - SEA
#3 - Grater - CC
#3 - Pixley - BLS
#3 - Hill - SME
#4 - Barton - OK
#4 - Puckett - BS
#4 - Barton - OK
#5 - Ewing - STA
#6 - DeHerrera - MR
170:
#1 - Eck - AN
#1 - Lattner - BLS
#2 - Hill - SME
#2 - Cool - SEA
#3 - Salsbury - SJA
#5 - Perz - STA
182:
#2 - Wilson - LFS
#2 - Koehn - PT
#4 - Hutchins - BLS
#4 - Dyer - OK
#4 - Henness - PAO
#5 - Padilla - JC
#9 - Hon - PC
195:
#1 - Omari - OP
#2 - VanDerWerff - LS
#3 - Stanley - SEA
#4 - Brown - BLS
#5 - Cole - PIP
#6 - Priddy - OK
#6 - Houser - COL
220:
#2 - Reyes - BLS
#2 - Dreiling - MR
#2 - Fitzgerald - SFT
#4 - Bonner - BAL
#4 - Salisbury - OK
#5 - Avalos - PT
#6 - Posey - JC
#6 - Kissinger - TG
285:
#1 - Cervantes - OP
#2 - Mason - STA
#2 - Bennett - PT
#2 - Rafalko - JC
#3 - Woodruff - GD
#4 - Pomatto - PAO
#5 - King - PIP
#6 - Hall - SEA
#6 - Clark - BLS
#8 - Knopp - PC
#9 - Morales - MR
Is Matt Reed wrestling or playing football this weekend? Why/where would Reed be playing football? Some Senior Classic all-star game or something? I watched his final last week. GHEZ! Lightening fast! I sure am glad this old man does not have to wrestle him. Ha. Speaking of old men (ha again - I'm older than Coach Church), how do you do when you wrestle him Coach Church?! Inquiring minds want to know. Ha. Take care. Dean
D. Dean Welsh, Junction City
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