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Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: insidetie] #201288 02/26/12 08:28 PM
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Congrats to Andale for winning the second straight title. Too bad the coach is not eligible for coach of the year. His name was not on the list of coaches to vote for.

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: wrestlingAlum] #201299 02/26/12 09:37 PM
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Another reason coach of year, OW, etc., should be voted on AFTER the competition is over. I'll guarantee you that after Friday's matches were over, lots of people counted Andale out of the team race. Coach Lies, and his two assistants, Nash and Cline, did an outstanding job of regrouping and getting everything and more out of what was salvageable from Friday. After losing a ranked kid to a broken arm a few weeks ago, and still pulling it off is COY worthy. I'm sure they aren't losing sleep over it, the team trophy is what matters to them most.

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Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: doug747] #201303 02/26/12 10:25 PM
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Andale did a great job coming back on the back side. Very impressive. Each coach has until March 4th to turn in their ballots. Their was a list of coaches and schools who were eligible to be voted on, and his was not on it. I assume he is not part of KCWA?

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: wrestlingAlum] #201315 02/27/12 12:41 AM
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That is possible, but like has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years: How can you vote for a coach of the year, when the year wasn't over..........

And you must have meant Feb 4th, correct?

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: doug747] #201330 02/27/12 01:34 AM
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The coach award announced before the finals is the officials choice for the Sportsmanship Coach of the Year Award.

The KWCA Coach of the Year award for each class is finalized after the annual KWCA meeting this upcoming weekend, or at least that is how the routine used to work, it may be changed now.

And I also believe that once a coach wins the award, they are off the ballot for two years, again that may be different now...??

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Kit Harris] #201349 02/27/12 03:02 AM
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On my first trip to 5A/6A State I thought it was an awesome experience. I thought it was neat how 5a was on one side and 6a on the other, I was told it was vice versa last year. I had a great seat for 6a, but not that great to view 5a, which I would have liked to been able to have a better view of. I could still go view the other mats though without to much of a problem.

Saw the cooler and food problem right away. One room with 60-80 coolers and a coach standing there saying, "Your telling me nobody put out name on our cooler!" lol. I didn't see an area where wrestlers could sit and eat food in a sanitary manner. Sitting in the stands eating a sandwich seems better to me then sitting in the back area against the wall.

It seemed like they wanted to stretch out the tourney with long breaks. I liked that they tried to keep on a schedule but it seemed like we could still get people out of there around 7 pm if they wanted to.

Thought the announcers did a great job, anouncing wrestlers before each match, at the awards stands, and in the finals. I liked that they had one announcer for 5a and one for 6a.

Brackets seemed to be updated on the wall, but not always on the internet....trackwrestling!

Food was expensive, but I still paid for it. State shirts weren't that great, but not bad.

I think having 4A state at the same location would have been great. It's probabaly just a wish though that will never happen.

Just my thoughts, I have more but can't think of them...still recovering from my kids first HS state tourney!


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Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Kit Harris] #201382 02/27/12 12:58 PM
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That makes sense. Now I recall the referee giving it away. I was in a Nyquil induced coma all weekend............

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: insidetie] #201429 02/27/12 03:58 PM
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The 5a/6a State Tournament at the Hartman did not impress me at all! The wrestling was the only thing that was sub-par. I have to be honest and say that this is the first Kansas State Tournament that I have ever attended,and it was quite abit differrent than what I am used to. I was not impressed at all!!! I have attended The Oklahoma State Tournament the past 16 years straight and desided to try a new venue and scout some new wrestlers in new areas.I beleive it's time that maybe the Kansas Directors attend different venues and addapt to some new ways. First things first,It's all about the kids!!! This is the biggest stage of the year for these incredible athletes and they have earned the right to be reconized in the most celebrated way possible. About all I got out of the tournament was a money trap, and the worry that someone might eat or drink something that wasn't purchased at the concession so they could get the SWAT team after them! Wrestlers know what they need to eat and what is really wrong if they want to bring in a bag of grapes or a parent of a young child with a snack bag of crackers? I mean, REALLY!!!! Thats just a start. How about going to two regionals that makes 8 man brackets and being able to have all classes at one venue to where all the state participants of all classes can be reconized and watched on the same stage. That would give the exact same amount of wrestlers in all classes as there is just in the 5a/6a tournament. I just think it takes away from the kids not getting to be seen by all on one stage. One other huge problem I felt was not to great, was that credit wasn't given were credit was do!!! A 4 time state champion was crowned people!!!!!!!! Not ever day does this happen!! This is an ELITE group to be in, and 4 state titles don't just get handed out and given away. I'm sure any 4 timer will vouch for that! I just felt that there could of been something alittle more special than just,"And takeing home his 4th state title"! Really!! At least play some kind of special music and try to make a big deal out of it.BECAUSE IT IS!!!!! And for all the fans, next time show alittle more class and give the kid a standing ovation for his incredable acomplishment! And for the few that did, I applaud you! I don't know the kid and that was the first time I got to watch him live,and I just want to give credit where credit is due!GREAT JOB 4 Timer! With that being said I rest my case for now. And please find a different place than the Hartman next year!!!!!!!!!

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Ok Wrestling Fan] #201440 02/27/12 04:45 PM
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Sounds like you need to stay in Oklahoma.

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Ok Wrestling Fan] #201441 02/27/12 04:47 PM
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Go back to okie you pokie!

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: bigdaddy650r] #201446 02/27/12 05:12 PM
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I am hopeful he had a typo and it should read the only thing NOT sub par was the wrestling...

OK Wrestling Fan can you clarify?

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: bigdaddy650r] #201447 02/27/12 05:15 PM
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I will! And thats why Kansas wrestling will always be known as Oklahoma's little step sister! Oklahoma just crowned their 27th and 28th 4 Timers! Just trying to help the greatest sport ever, and maybe get all the kids seen at once to help get recruited, but like your lack of attention, like when a 4 timer wins it and everyone sits there,your true sportsmanship shows!!!!!!!! Truth Hurts!!

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Ok Wrestling Fan] #201451 02/27/12 05:19 PM
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Yes badbo. Sorry! Although the first round is kind of a bore.

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Kit Harris] #201487 02/27/12 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kit Harris
The coach award announced before the finals is the officials choice for the Sportsmanship Coach of the Year Award.

The KWCA Coach of the Year award for each class is finalized after the annual KWCA meeting this upcoming weekend, or at least that is how the routine used to work, it may be changed now.

And I also believe that once a coach wins the award, they are off the ballot for two years, again that may be different now...??


Also, for a coach to be on the Ballot for KWCA Coach of the year, they have to be a member of the KWCA. While I am not trying to open a can of worms, you have to pay your $40 dues.

Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: bigdaddy650r] #201521 02/27/12 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: bigdaddy650r
Go back to okie you pokie!


Roger that.

I was standing. The people around me were standing and I heard and saw an excited, loud gym after Bo won.


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Re: 4A, 5A & 6A State Championship Thoughts [Re: Dean Welsh] #201522 02/27/12 09:59 PM
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Whatever was done for Bo was perfect!! Honestly, he was so happey/releived/proud he was in another world anyway.

Mike Pursel

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Originally Posted By: badbo
Whatever was done for Bo was perfect!! Honestly, he was so happey/releived/proud he was in another world anyway.

Mike Pursel


Thanks for sharing. Yeah, what a tremendous amount of pressure for a young man to be under! Congrats to him and his family and his coaches and teammates. Iron sharpens iron (and so does riding bulls apparently - grin).


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