NEBRASKA STATE WRESTLING BRACKETS
http://108.166.67.236:8080/tw/predefinedtournaments/MainFrame.jsp?sport=wrestling&TIM=1330630602184&pageName=&ie=false&frameSize=1109

COLORADO STATE WRESTLING BRACKETS 1 KID WITH A LOSING BRACKET IN 4A= 5A IN KANSAS
http://www.thewrestlingtourney.com/pub-tourney-reports.php

MISSOURI
http://www.mshsaa.org/2012C4HomePg.aspx

THATS GREAT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INDIVIDUAL RANKING THAT CHEIF MAKES UP EVERY YEAR? AND WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THERE BEING 45 KIDS IN 5A WITH LOSING RECORDS COMPETING IN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP?

I WRESTLED FOR ABILENE KANSAS, MY DAD IS A KANSAS HALL OF FAME WRESTLING COACH, BOTH OF MY LIL BROTHERS WRESTLED IN KANSAS, BOTH OF THEM AND MYSELF WRESTLED IN COLLEGE. MY YOUNGEST BROTHER AND MYSELF WRESTLED AT LCCC. MY OTHER BROTHER WRESTLED D1 FOR NEBRASKA. ITS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT THOSE KIDS WRESTLED IN THE STATE TOURNY WITH A LOSING RECORD. I WAS ONCE ONE OF THOSE KIDS! JUST BECAUSE I MOVED DOES NOT MEAN I CANNOT STILL LOVE KANSAS WRESTLING. I JUST WANT TO STOP BEING EMBARRASSED WHEN PEOPLE ASK WHY A 4-15 KID IS IN THE STATE TOURNAMENT.

From what I can see is that Scott City was also missing 2 of their good wrestlers that were state placers, this could have changed some of their points.

I went to the Missouri post that you supplied. Thank you for the information Lucas. By the way I counted 33 wrestlers with losing records. Found one kid that was 6-28.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here...

A couple of facts:
106# Tyler Irwin did in fact win a match to qualify. He won twice and dominated the 2 seed (with a nice winning record)10-0. He also beat a 321A state qualifier from Smith Center (24-11) and Norton (22-9).

285# Grant Flemming did in fact win a match to qualify. He beat the #4, #1 seeds at regional and placed 2nd. Both had better records. 2 state placers came out of this region.

I'm sorry you had to leave Kansas due to your embarrassment. I'm pretty proud of their accomplishments. They peaked at the right time and won their spot on the bracket.

Not to take anything away from these 2 athletes, but from what i am getting out of Baker's post, is that these wreslters went into state and did not win a match at state against an opponent with a winning record or win a match at all. Tyler Irwin 0-2, and Grant Flemming 1-2, 1 win against another wrestler with a losing record.

63 wrestlers listed on the Nebraska brackets with losing records.

They sure did. Aren't there plenty of guys in 321A and 4A that also go 0-2 or 1-2? Do those guys belong??? Does their record really matter?

He is knocking kids for not winning a match to make it to state. The fault lies with our state to get more kids out and fill some rosters. It is not the wrestlers fault. The wrestlers have no control over whether or not another team supplies a wrestler in his weight class.

Coach Seibel,
My son wrestled Tyler Irwin at the regional. Since he and others have been called out by an individual who thinks it cool to belittle young men. I can say without reservation that Tyler is a stronger wrestler than some with winning records from various classes we faced this year. Don't let one person taint his accomplishments.

not 1 4A regional bracket I saw was full either. It is not that much harder to qualify for state in 4A. Who cares if the kids have to win 1 or 2 more matches, that's life.

I also find it hard to believe that anybody would ask You (baker) about losing records in the state tournament. Without you bringing it up first.

He's knocking guys for having a losing record at the state tournament and how they obviously do not belong. The percentages are also amazing. Did you know that 25% of the wrestlers at state go 0-2?

Baker asked for facts that records can be misleading. My 106# Irwin (finished 12-18) BEAT two 321A state qualifiers that I know (usually don't pay much attention). Those two had a combined record of 46-20. Don't call kids out on a public forum. Learn to live with your shame and embarrassment. Do something else. Go outside and play.

I'm done with this.

Exactly my point. All these wrestlers qualified the same way. Whether they had a winning record or not. Whether they won a match or not. They went to regionals and placed and went on to state. If we don't like having 4 people in a regional, then we need to get more kids out for wrestling....state wide.

just showing mr baker that sometimes records don't reflect the true story. not trying to get you western ks 3a guys excited. thanks.

lucas you asked about the level of competition at the 5a level. just showing you facts. keeping MY emotions in check as i do.

Lucas,

How many kids in Texas with losing records qualified for state? Just curious.

I'm with lucas with its too easy to qualify for state in Kansas. Takes the luster away from the meaning of state qualifier. Minimally go back to the 80s when they had substate and only 8 qualified.

talk about emotions, i'll bet you're probably crushing the keyboard during this rant.

Let's assume all 3 of the 4A kids with losing records only were either 0-2 or 1-2.

That means 49.3% of 4A kids with winning records 109/221 also either were 0-2 or 1-2. Based on Lucas logic maybe some 4A kids had some padded records and didn't belong at State lol