 Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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I am glad that's been cleared up! 
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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It most definitely has not been cleared up.
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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I guess im missing something. Im not stubborn... I want to know the truth. But this only says a coach can film his athete from the corner or bench area with an electronic device. The next two slides say you can show the film during a timeout but cant use it to argue a call. Where does it say Rule 1.M is void and you can film an opponent in a match that your kid or athlete is not involved in?
Am I missing something???
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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Coach Church,
That is all I see as well. I was wondering if we were all watching the same slides.
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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If you adopting the NFHSAA rule it means you are nullifying your state's changes to it. Pretty simple. The rule being emphasized during the rules meeting is in DIRECT conflict with the handbook statement.
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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It most definitely has not been cleared up. Lentz says we are adopting the NFHSAA rule on video taping. How does that not clear it up? Additionally, under the old rule the prohibition was on member schools not citizens. Every Mom, Dad or fan have always been able to video any match they want. Clear? Crystal.
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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Here is the email that I received from Mr. Lentz earlier today when I queried him regarding the KSHSAA Nanual vs.the Rules meeting:
"The video rule was changed by the NFHS. . .The (KSHSAA) manual is incorrect and was printed prior the clarification/interpretation from the NFHS. I tried to make this clear in the rules meeting, but apparently that is not the case. I will try and send something out to all schools. . . "
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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It was not clear in the rules meeting b/c it was not addressed at all! It only addressed filming from the coaches area. It said "NOTHING" about Mike Church or his fans filming a match that did not involve his or their athlete. Yes, I have seen at least 5 times in my coaching and wrestling career a parent being asked to leave a gym for filming kids that were not theirs. I agree, it's dumb now... but it was the rule!!!!
The NFHS Rule has changed and does for Kansas if the state agreed to follow the rule. The Manual did not state that we were following the rule and in fact stated it was still prohibited!
Now there is an email between one man and Mark Lentz out there which I 100% agree probably took place. But is Mark talking about filming opponents or is he talking about filming ouR own kids in competition. This is not clear! This rule has not changed until Mark Lentz publicly changes it with the AD's and Coaches. When that happens... guess what.. we have new rule effective that date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So all filming of an opponent not involved with your athlete prior to the new KSHSAA Rule release (When/If it comes out) was in fact..... Against the rules based on what is published!
Rules are not a secret society! They are for everyone and if only 4 people in the state know that this was the intention to follow the rule based on NFHS... then it's not a rule. It becomes a rule the day KSHSAA PUBLICLY acknowledges the change from that day forward.
NOW, LET'S GET THIS PUBLICLY DONE SO WE CAN QUIT BICKERING ABOUT IT!
And There You Have It!
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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It was not clear in the rules meeting b/c it was not addressed at all! It only addressed filming from the coaches area. It said "NOTHING" about Mike Church or his fans filming a match that did not involve his or their athlete. Yes, I have seen at least 5 times in my coaching and wrestling career a parent being asked to leave a gym for filming kids that were not theirs. I agree, it's dumb now... but it was the rule!!!!
The NFHS Rule has changed and does for Kansas if the state agreed to follow the rule. The Manual did not state that we were following the rule and in fact stated it was still prohibited!
Now there is an email between one man and Mark Lentz out there which I 100% agree probably took place. But is Mark talking about filming opponents or is he talking about filming ouR own kids in competition. This is not clear! This rule has not changed until Mark Lentz publicly changes it with the AD's and Coaches. When that happens... guess what.. we have new rule effective that date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So all filming of an opponent not involved with your athlete prior to the new KSHSAA Rule release (When/If it comes out) was in fact..... Against the rules based on what is published!
Rules are not a secret society! They are for everyone and if only 4 people in the state know that this was the intention to follow the rule based on NFHS... then it's not a rule. It becomes a rule the day KSHSAA PUBLICLY acknowledges the change from that day forward.
NOW, LET'S GET THIS PUBLICLY DONE SO WE CAN QUIT BICKERING ABOUT IT!
And There You Have It!
The rule is not stated to apply to spectators. Sorry, if you want to go down this path lets go. I am not agreeing that the rule was broken. The statement at the rules meeting was clear. Kansas is adopting the NFHS rule for recording. It can be done in the corner AND reviewed at any time. NFHS also clearly states that ANY recording is permissible. That is as clear as it gets. I think the rule was misapplied in ALL of the instances you mentioned. I thoroughly read the manual and there is absolutely NO mention of this rule applying to spectators, family members, media personnel, etc. It is clear to me that it ONLY applies to coaches, competitors and school employees/team affiliates. Those filming on Saturday did NOT fit into any of these categories. I would take my chances in front of Judges Wapner or Judy. :-) Lets get Jerry Springer to line it up! If it were a violation for recording then why has KSHSAA never gone after youtube posters?? Selective enforcement is not a good practice.
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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I know you are a conservative republican or I would be saying you have hearing and rule interpretation like a liberal! LOL
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Re: It is OK TO VIDEO MATCHES
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Managers, trainers, bus driver, camera person, statistician, etc. Coach, I realize that this is not straightforward and I blame the ambiguity on the lack of clarity and the unreasonable level of control sought by the governing body.
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