That's exactly how I argued it before the state body 8 years ago.

you argued for or against HS div?

because it is an unmitigated failure that never accomplished what it set out to do, and should be scrapped leaving kids state for kids and high school for high school and the 14U gets fixed by a simple cutoff date change that has the BENEFICIAL byproduct of bringing 1/2 of 6U into the state tournament without creating a new division. So how bout you write up the proposal for me, you have until the 15th, I'm too busy saving lives

I argued for it. Allowing kids to wrestle 14U if they could was the only way to get it to pass. The idea was to make a Grand State, which has never even come close. Cowley and others did all they could to get a Grand State Tournament going, but the kids were just not interested. Trust me, I've never been considered one of the good ole boys.

"#9011 - April, 03 2003 09:30 PM Re: 6 & Under State Championship
Coachjt Offline
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Registered: July, 07 2001
Posts: 454
Loc: Rose Hill, KS
This topic has been discussed at great length for the last four or five years and it has ran off people from coming to the state meeting because they would argue about it for so long. District II has been pushing to add 6&U at state the other three districts have been apposed.

Now not everyone in district II is in favor nor are all the people in the other districts apposed. But last year we voted for 6&U at state and it got turned down 70% to 30%. This year was the first state meeting without discussing it and it was nice.

The main reason everyone used was it put to much pressure on the 6 yr. olds to wrestle at state."



This was 14-20 years ago - when 14 & under - 16 & under were there own division. We did not even have a school boy dual team in 2003.

Since then more people and volunteers have been run off - participation numbers are down, I am still trying to find the minutes from the last 3 state board meetings, I can not make a proposal by March 15th (which is the new by-law date) because information from the last meetings has not been available for the state body to make an informed proposal. I am watching a once solid organization self destruct - there are many people with good intentions - but some are not willing to listen to those who have stood the test of time and put forth ____________ _______________ energy.

Sean McCarthy

You sell over priced aspirin, let's not over exaggerate into saving lives. Too busy to make a change but not too busy to cry, whine and argue (poorly) with me all night. You are a hypocrite and I am through with you and your whining.

7 years Sean...let's not exaggerate.

You didn't hear that?....5 posts above?....that was the mic hitting the floor

Sounded more like wet tissue hitting the floor, soft, like you.

good one

I apologize, clearly you are married to this issue much more than I estimated as you were the impetus behind it's ratification by the board those many years ago

See you at State. You can apologize then.

sounds good

In a way, this also goes to setting up the whole Middle school season the same time for the whole state. Since it was mentioned how Freshmen wrestling varsity is not seen all year until now, this kinda pertains the same for Middle School Wrestling, since most of a district decides to hold their middle school season later in the folkstyle season than most of the state, and most of those kids (7th and 8th) are not seen until the state championships. I believe Freshman (14&u qualified) should be able to wrestle 14&U, AS LONG as they are not a State Qualifier in the High School Season. If they wrestled at High School State, then they should wrestle High School Division in the kids Folkstyle Series.

Chad not 7 years. This is 2017 subtracted from the year 2003 (that is the year of that post I referenced) 14 years plus the 4 to 5 years = 14-20 years ago - not a stretch Chad. Most of the people - 70 percent back then did not want 6 & under in the state tournament - it is for the long term health of the sport and longevity of the kids participating. Do we want the majority of kids wrestling from 6 - 16 years old or 10-20 years old.

Mr Bluel

This has all been discussed at length before.....


http://www.usawks.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=150661&page=1

Change the cutoff to January 1, provide divisional options not available in high school state: Freshman/Sophomore and Junior/Senior instead of "high school" which already exists. I guarantee you increase numbers in the HS and 8U divisions and don't sabotage the 14U division like is done now

Without the freshmen there is an eighth grade division, so why even have it?

I suppose we should tell the world of wrestling guys that their 15U division is unfair and they should stop?

I don't have a dog in the fight at this point in time, but I will reflect on personal experience. My son had the always talked about "bad birthday" late August, so while he was in the 7th grade he wrestled 14u. We could have had the ole pitty party and complained about the rules, but that would not benefit anyone and have done nothing but give him the ole "dad says" reasons for getting his butt kicked or excuses for not working to improve his technique and skills. This was the first year of the HS division and as we looked at the sub and district bracket found the mountain very tall. He didn't shy away but embraced the challenge. He ended up qualifying 3rd at district and had to wrestle a HS state placer at district. Went on to state and first match got beat by HS state placer, but went on to beat 2 other HS kids and beat that same HS state placer in consolation semi finals. Moral of the story embrace the challenge and work to beat those kids and you will always have fond memories, and you might just set them up for a successful HS career. I'm positive my son would not trade the experience it gave him and prepared him for HS wrestling. I also know he wouldn't trade 3 HS team championships for the world.

Paul Finch
Garden City

Mr Bluel I have noticed you sure do cry a lot on this forum about a lot of different things, if you are so unhappy with wrestling in this state than move. I remember going to your south side duals in olathe and my kid ended up wrestling a freshman that was still in high school season, wrestled at your dual on a sunday and got beat, who cares was it fair no but you know what he told me is that he needed to work harder. Not everyone is a winner and not everyone gets a metal if you want something go get and quit whinning cause there is always someone stronger, faster, bigger and more talented.