I have a question and ask for some help from you all. I know of two teams that flat out lied to get thier kids seeded higher in subs. One of them was a bracket that had no affect on any of my kids but was a kid I know very well. The other I was not aware of until a parent on my team pointed it out to me this week. I know it is to late to make any changes but it is very wrong of these other coaches to do and im not sure if it should be confronted or just let die. Let me know your thoughts please!

it will get settled saturday i agree it is wrong but remember cheaters never win

I agree but it got 2 kids seeded on the same side that sould not meet till the finals!

dont know why some clubs do thati went to a event this year and the home club had half their team double dipping in open and novice split session the kid that was in my sons bracket had placed in 16 open tournaments and placed third in state it was a differnt state but by no means was he novice and guess what that kid won the novice bracket he was in what is that teaching your kids how to cheat but as for your two kids i hope they both make it to districts good luck just let it go it will all work itself out

would like to know what the flat out lie was, I know east kansas posted alot of state qualifiers,state placers, and they really wher not. Could be mistake by club director when entering wrestler. Who Knows. Have names but would rather have u check urself. Good luck, hope it works out for u.

Just because it will work itself out doesn't make it right!!

There is no reason for me to recheck but thanks. It was a kid that wrestled 6 and under all year and my kids dad showed me the brackets on kis computer. The other one is a member of my family that wrestles at another club.

No it doesn't but till every tournament is on track wrestling not really any way to stop it. You can look and any sub district and find kids that are listed as a's seeded below kids listed as b's . One bracket is an eight man with the a's and b's meeting in the first round and the c's and d's meeting in the first round. Makes me wonder what the coaches were thinking.

It will not matter if it is all on track or not.Looking at some of the kids now,I see some that say state place when they where 2 and out.This is on track.

It happens. If nobody is there to argue for a kid or the coach can't remember match ups then a kid can get seeded lower. I saw some coaches trying to bully others for a seed or other coaches not speak up and then complain why somebody didn't get seeded. It's a crap shoot and lots of times the priority is to seperate 1 and 2 and not give a lot of thought on 3 and 4. Sometimes coaches who yelled a name out got a seed if nobody said anything. That's not right but that's how it went for some weight and age groups.

Things don't go the way we want but it usually works itself out on the mat. One year my boy got seeded 4th when he should have been 2. Coach just didn't know the names of kids he beat head to head. I am sure the opposing coaches weren't volunteering info. In the end it worked itself out at state by beating our districts #2 seed to make the finals.

I'd say don't beat yourself up about seeds. At the national level, seeded kids get knocked off all the time. Good wrestlers find away.

Most at the seeding know who is and who isn't a state placer so would have to imagine it came up. Some confusion was State Placer was for 2009 state not career. Regardless the records themselves are just by honor system which not everone is on the same page. When I send ours in I simply ask the parents what they are and i have no way to tell if thier being honest. When i do my sons I count all wrestling Every state, every age, every weight etc. Some only count KS and no out of state cause it makes the record look good. I don't know

My question is what do it matter at this stage of the game? 1,2,3,4 seed who gets which as long as the four are seperate. One thing I kept hearing was a debate for 1or2 no head to head well billy gets 1 joey gets 2 its basically a coin flip. My question is whats the real diffence between 1 and 2 as long as thier seperated but some really didn't like thier kid was No.2

Maybe this shouldn't be decided by coaches; maybe by an unbiased committee. You turn in your wrestlers information (where track wrestling should be inplace!). Wrestlers are awarded say points for A,B,C,D status and state placings. It is only fair that an A wrestler see's some benefit from that status; eventhough maybe his record doesn't show it. We all know it is a lot different to wrestle A wrestlers all day, then C and D wrestlers all day! Head to head competition is hard to included when some wrestlers are not seen in a bracket all season, before showing up in the sub brackets.
If a coach isn't at the meeting, his information (or letter) should have been disreguarded! Especially, if proven untrue.

Maybe thats where the confusion is. I dont ask the parents what the kids record or accomplishments are( I Know). Olathe South Falcons. (a true kids club)

r u serious, guess thats what east kansas did too

just wondering for myself what does a (a true kids club) mean?

So is what your telling me is that even though your at say tulsa. And the rest of the club goes to a diffent tournament your still able to without a doubt keep track of all your kids records. WOW you are a real kids club. Johnson County gets all the good stuff. Geniuses, Starbucks, Abercrombie & Fitch and you super coach amazing simply amazing. Just when I thought I could be proud of being from Wyco. You come along and totally prove me right thanks

hey hotrodder you said it also whats a real kids club i am up late trying to figure this one out

on none of the clubs websites can i find that term

It comes down to integrity, saying a kid was a state qualifier when he was 2 and out at subs, not using most recent info,the buddy system- you know, you help my kid and i'll help yours, my god there are clubs out there that don't even weigh their own kids in for the tourny they host. It all comes down to what you want to teach your kids- the right way or the wrong way.

Then all the "unbiased" committee has to figure out is who attended the tougher tournaments and/or wrestled the toughest competition.