Lucas hates Ark City, end of story. He does not care about the sport of wrestling in Kansas. He volunteers NO time, he donates NO resources, you will never change his mind. Lucas only cares about Lucas' beef with Beeson. This is all an elaborate ploy to get back at Chad. He still hasn't taken down his weak class 5a football patch. he still won't admit that others have offered better solutions, for a more equal state series. he simply wants to get under Beesons skin.

Ark city is the best thing that couild ever happan to 5a i think they won it like 14 years in a row. I think that if you take those 14 years and put them down into 4a i bet they would not have won but half of those titles.

Instead of getting offended, maybe we should have an open mind and have a peaceful debate about the pros and cons of each situation.

I'm not criticizing any kids achievement has done in the past, but we should try to open our minds to new ideas that may or may not improve wrestling in Kansas. I think we get stuck doing the same thing we've always done and think thats the best way.

I'd like to see you're 5 best reason why the class system that exists currently is so good or fair.

[quote]Maybe you're right, start with ripping those district champ patches off the letter jackets. make a statement start small, move your way up the chain. i mean if you walk into the KSHSAA meeting complaining about weak classes with your 2-7 patch on, you've lost all credibility.

Headup,

I graduated 24 years ago, so I didn't get the patch. I think its kind of novel with a 2-7 record, and I would feel funny wearing one even if I was on the team. But KS football has a huge issue with with regional disparity. But thats an issue for another site.
So I don'tunderstand how I lose credibility, because my Alma Mater got an extremely favorable draw in a football regional.

Lucas hates Ark City, end of story. He does not care about the sport of wrestling in Kansas. He volunteers NO time, he donates NO resources, you will never change his mind. Lucas only cares about Lucas' beef with Beeson. This is all an elaborate ploy to get back at Chad. He still hasn't taken down his weak class 5a football patch. he still won't admit that others have offered better solutions, for a more equal state series. he simply wants to get under Beesons skin.

Lucas,

This is what we have to work with. When a wrestler qualifies for State, regardless of their record, regardless of their High School classification, regardless of whatever else, then they should be proud of their accomplishment. To come on this forum and downplay what they have achieved is not doing the wrestling community any favors.

1. It may not be good or fair, but that is not for me to decide.
2. It might be good and fair, but that is not for me to determine.
3. The current system with the classifications that are in place requires that four wrestlers out of each Regional qualifies for State, regardless of their record or their classification.
4. Wrestling is a great sport, the most demanding sport in my opinion, and I would like to see more wrestlers participate.
5. Watered down? Do you really understand the grind that these young adults go through? I really don't care what people say, the wrestlers that make it to State should be appreciated, not because they are the best, because they have worked hard and stuck it out in the most demanding sport that they can compete in while in High School.

Let me be the first to say that I don't care what Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, or any other state would say about the way we do things here. Oklahoma has five classes, and nobody would say a word about that. Missouri has four and nobody is on here having an identity crisis about that. If you all like those Big 10 states so much then go there and put your kids in one of their programs and have a ball. We do what we do. Get used to it.

Bout time people got over the huge inferiority complex they have here. If Ohio was so darn good then why are you here????

I don't think he hates Ark City as much as he would like for us to think. Dug this old post up, it almost looks like he has a fondness for The Purple and The Gold!!! I'm starting to think that it MIGHT just be me that he doesn't like.

i really don't think the topic is offensive. the delivery is. i sent you a PM on this. read other posts on the same topic. Contrarian has posted on this subject, Cokeley has posted on this subject, their delivery was mature, well written, and fair. this topic attacks one class, and 45 young men who have busted their a$$ all year long.


1- equality- the system is designed to give kids the opportunity- no matter what their school size
2- quantity- the more STUDENTS who are involved in positive extra ciricular activities
3- parity- combining 5a and 6a into 1 super class would flip the coin on the weak class argument- wouldn't solve anything
4- excitement- you admitted that your football team qualified for the state playoffs with a 2-7 record. how was the atmosphere during those district games?
5- opportunity- to combine classes would take away an opportunity for some athletes, cutting classifications because some records at the state tournament is like cutting gym class, art class, and auto class because no one every graduated, then opened an auto mechanics shop, art studio, or fitness gym?????

i would be all for changing it up, if you can keep those 5 things in mind

notice it didn't include fair, nothing in life is fair- no solution will make everyone happy! someone is going to feel it's unfair.

give me your top 5 reasons that less classes make, better athletes. keep in mind that texas football has 5 classes plus 8 man and 6 man. you can't argue texas football. the eastern states have greater population, smaller distances, and more exposure to college wrestling.

i will say this. records dont really mean anything. but not having to win a match to get to state shows there is a problem with the system not the kids but the system. thats all i will ever complain about on this topic.