I think it's safe to say that if someone beats all the wrestlers on the all class list he is the best wrestler at that weight. To bad people aren't into beating people to move up in the rankings though, much easier to complain about something that really doesn't matter.

TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Arkansas City - 5A
2. Garden City - 6A
3. St. Thomas Aquinas - 5A
4. St. James Academy - 5A
5. Junction City - 6A
6. Newton - 5A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Manhattan - 6A
9. Valley Center - 5A
10. Plainville - 321A


106:
1. Jake Goldenstein – AUG – 10 - 4A - 30-0
2. Michael Prieto - GC - 9 - 32-2
3. Logan Terrill - ARK - 10 - 5A - 24-9
4. Stephen Tujague – SJA – 9 - 5A - 30-7
5. Josiah Seaton – BS – 11 - 4A - 22-2
6. David Mainus - CLB - 11 - 4A - 27-3
7. Trae Foreman - PRT - 11 - 4A - 27-3
8. Ryan Delforge - VC - 9 - 5A - 37-5
9. Chris Deters - MRV - 9 - 321A
10. Ty Nienke - ELS - 11 - 321A - 26-3

113:
1. Sean DeShazer – WH - 10 - 6A - 26-0
2. Michael Lindlar – WNW – 12 - 6A - 23-4
3. Trey Francka – CCO – 12 - 321A - 27-0
4. Jase Stone - MH - 12 - 6A - 28-4
5. Josh Goepfert - MRV - 12 - 321A - 30-0
6. Cesar Regalado - PRT - 11 - 4A - 21-3
7. Brady Lowell - REP - 12 - 321A - 24-2
8. Zane Baugh - AB - 10 - 4A - 27-7
9. Justus Seaton - BS - 12 - 4A - 21-4
10. PJ Cheney - TUR - 11 - 5A - 18-4


120:
1. Zac Gentzler – AC - 12 - 5A - 33-0
2. Reese Cokeley - SJA - 11 - 5A - 32-14
3. Tyler Mies – AN – 11 - 4A - 27-4
4. Dakota Leach – GD – 12 - 5A - 26-3
5. Jake Elbrader - STA - 11 - 5A - 19-6
6. Marcus Phillips - WW - 11 - 5A - 19-0
7. Tyler Sharp - FS - 12 - 4A - 26-3
8. Kian Clemens - MH - 11 - 6A - 26-8
9. Junior Morgan - 12 - AB - 4A - 29-2
10. Kevin Perez - 12 - JC - 6A - 25-5

126:
1. Dustin Reed – CLB - 12 - 4A - 36-0
2. Brandon Ball - HOI - 11 - 321A - 32-0
3. Chris Burley – GB – 12 - 5A - 26-1
4. Bryce Morgan - ELD - 12 - 4A - 29-1
5. Blake Stovall - ON - 9 - 6A - 22-7
6. Zak Hensley - SJA - 10 - 5A - 24-7
7. Alex Kough - SC - 12 - 321A - 22-4
8. Kyle Miller - BUH - 12 - 4A - 26-5
9. Adam Cole - CH - 10 - 4A - 23-3
10. Willy Dieckmann - 10 - ACC - 321A - 27-5

132:
1. Tyler Dickman - STA - 11 - 5A - 20-0
2. Kyle Wilson – WAM – 12 - 4A - 24-1
3. Lucas Maki - AND - 12 - 5A - 21-1
4. Kaleb Konitzer - PV - 11 - 4A - 26-2
5. Sawyer Like - BVSW - 11 - 5A - 31-3
6. Tevin Briscoe - GC - 10 - 6A - 32-4
7. John Risewick - NOR - 12 - 321A - 31-3
8. Dayton Dreher - OBR - 11 - 321A - 29-3
9. Jake Wilson - RH - 11 - 4A - 26-4
10. Kyle Macy - ELD - 12 - 4A - 27-6

138:
1. Bryce Shoemaker - BAL - 12 - 4A - 29-2
2. Brogan Humphrey - FRE - 11 - 321A - 32-0
3. Isaac Dulgarian - STA - 10 - 5A - 35-2
4. Dane Edwards - DC - 12 - 6A - 26-2
5. AJ Hurtado – GC – 12 - 6A - 25-7
6. Kasey Biddle - CB - 12 - 321A - 25-1
7. Greg Tooley - STM - 10 - 321A - 30-1
8. Victor Hughes - FS - 12 - 4A - 34-6
9. Kade Sander - GB - 11 - 5A - 22-2
10. Drake Hake - CON - 10 - 4A

145:
1. Tagen Lambotte - ROS - 11 - 321A - 28-1
2. Andrew Millsap - JC - 11 - 6A - 30-2
3. Cody Eastman - ARK - 12 - 5A - 29-3
4. Austin Hughey – ELD – 12 - 4A - 18-1
5. Reis Humphrey - SMS - 12 - 5A - 28-2
6. Chance Demel - HOI - 12 - 321A - 32-0
7. Patrick Weaver - HUG - 12 - 4A - 25-3
8. Davis Matthews - MH - 12 - 6A - 26-5
9. Jacob Durossette - FS - 11 - 4A - 21-2
10. Trevor Kennedy - GC - 12 - 6A

152:
1. Jonathan Blackwell – BS - 12 - 4A - 22-1
2. Jake Gehring - BUH - 12 - 4A - 34-0
3. Alex Thibault - HAL - 12 - 321A - 33-1
4. Ben Becker - DB - 12 - 6A - 31-2
5. Wyatt Villers - ARK - 12 - 28-3
6. Taylor Watkins - COL - 10 - 4A - 23-5
7. Gage Younger - ELL - 12 - 321A - 30-1
8. Tanner Ogden - RV - 12 - 4A - 31-3
9. Jack Mitchell - SME - 12 - 6A - 21-2
10. Saul Ortiz - WNW - 10 - 6A - 22-5

160:
1. Dustin Williams – GE – 11 - 6A - 33-0
2. Calvin Ochs – HOX – 12 - 321A - 34-0
3. Aaron Puckett – BS – 12 - 4A - 29-0
4. Noel Torres – EMP – 12 - 5A - 24-3
5. Kyle Armstrong – AN – 12 - 4A - 30-3
6. Johnny Perz - STA - 12 - 5A - 33-3
7. Warren Kropp - SC - 11 - 321A - 19-4
8. Bowe Behymer - BEL - 11 - 321A - 27-4
9. Dylan Wiesner - PLV - 11 - 321A - 26-5
10. Spencer Bird - SV - 11 - 4A - 27-4

170:
1. Jared Johnson – PR - 12 - 321A - 28-0
2. Bryant Guillen – SEA – 12 - 5A - 35-0
3. Nick Wuthnow - SAC - 11 - 321A - 25-0
4. Trevor Whittaker - SV - 12 - 4A - 26-1
5. Trent Salsbury – SJA – 11 - 5A - 37-10
6. Jared Langley - NEW - 10 - 5A - 27-5
7. Darick Jones - CLW - 11 - 4A - 31-3
8. Kolby Fennewald - MUL - 12 - MUL - 4A - 31-1
9. Kyler Meyers - HAY - 12 - 5A - 31-6
10. Jason Berkgren - OAK - 12 - 321A - 31-2

182:
1. Levi Eck - AN - 12 - 4A - 31-2
2. Nick Meck - SH - 12 - 5A - 27-1
3. Dalton Rodd - AC - 12 - 5A - 17-2
4. Kyler Atwood - SC - 12 - 321A - 24-1
5. Gavin Grater - RC - 11 - 321A - 25-4
6. Chad Blair - VC - 12 - 5A - 38-2
7. Jake Bradley - PV - 12 - 4A - 33-4
8. Andrew Denning - LAW - 12 - 6A - 22-2
9. Emilio Fowler - GE - 10 - 6A
10. Armando Sandoval - ULY - 12 - 4A

195:
1. Preston Weigel - HAY - 11 - 5A - 34-0
2. Dillon Archer - NEW - 12 - 5A - 27-1
3. Ben Taliaferro - SH - 12 - 5A - 27-2
4. Seth Pesek - GE - 10 - 6A - 21-5
5. Harrison Gilliland - PL - 12 - 321A - 18-0
6. Brandon Salmans - HOX - 12 - 321A - 27-3
7. Tyler Gastineau - GDL - 11 - 4A - 15-5
8. James Denton - JC - 12 - 6A - 26-8
9. Mario Galvan - SMNW - 12 - 6A
10. Julius Coates - TG - 12 - 4A - 27-4

220:
1. Justin Scott - JW - 11 - 4A - 26-0
2. Ben Ewing - STA - 10 - 5A - 29-1
3. Armando Contreras - 12 - SMN - 6A - 14-2
4. Tyson Toelkes - SH - 11 - 5A - 21-2
5. Caleb Franklin - WN - 11 - 6A - 20-0
6. Luke Weldon - VC - 12 - 5A - 40-1
7. Dylan Cox - ARK - 12 - 5A - 28-7
8. Jesse Colver - LV - 12 - 5A - 24-4
9. Raymond Gallegos - NEW - 11 - 5A - 26-6
10. Ryker Greenbaum - DOU - 12 - 321A - 25-1

285:
1. Nathan Butler - LV - 12 - 5A - 34-0
2. Will Geary - TOP - 12 - 6A - 22-1
3. Zac Sander - VC - 12 - 5A - 39-3
4. Josh Horn - WIN - 12 - 4A - 25-2
5. Clay Wilcox - CHP - 12 - 321A - 33-2
6. Dylan Hall - SEA - 12 - 5A - 25-7
7. Shannon Meck - SH - 12 - 5A - 25-2
8. Aaron Rafalko - JC - 12 - 6A - 24-7
9. Zell Beiberle - CLB - 12 - 4A
10. Marc Saffle - HUT - 12 - 6A

How is Michael Helms ranked #7 in All Class at 160 behind 2 other 5A kids, but ranked 4 in class 5A, behind 3 5A kids?

Good call. Hofmeister and Finch beat him at GC. Collins beat Hofmeister at Goddard on Saturday.

At 160, Bowe Behymer of Beloit should be ahead of Spencer Bird of Smoky Valley. Behymer beat Bird earlier in the season 4-2 in a dual. Bird also lost in that same dual to unranked in 321A Dylan Walker of Russell. Behymer is a two time state placer and he also has a win over #5 in 4A Reischick of Holton. He's lost #4 in 321A Wiesner of Plainville, #7 in All-Class Kropp of Scott City, and two times to #2 in All-Class Ochs of Hoxie.

Dylan Wiesner of Plainville should also get some consideration at this weight as he is (1-1) with Behymer this season with Behymer winning the last match. Wiesner also has a win over Brand of Russell who has beaten Bird, and his other notable wins are over #6 in 321A at 170 Staples of WaKeeney-Trego and #6 in 321A Faulkender of Oakley. His losses are to #3 in All-Class at 170 Wuthnow of Salina-Sacred Heart, #7 in All-Class Kropp of Scott City, and two times to #2 in All-Class Ochs of Hoxie.

Scott Whitson of Buhler also took a loss this past weekend at Circle to unranked in 321A Braden Sherman of Fredonia, so I'm not sure if he should stay in the rankings.

At 285, Bradey Chard of Plainville beat Zell Beiberle of Colby at the Beloit Tournament. Chard is a returning state placer, he is (22-1), and has other notable wins over #3 in 321A McEachern of Scott City, #5 in 321A Kolterman of Onaga, and #6 in 4A Zook of Chapman. He does have one loss this season to unranked Vincent Scott of Hays that happened in a dual in December, so that might throw a wrench into the rankings but I do think he deserves consideration based off of his wins.

Behymer and Wiesner I will look at. Whitson's loss has more to the story.

This is a nice comment RedPloyd and I hear what you are saying. Yes, all the things you stated do indeed happen. Yes, there are Cinderella stories. Yes, the underdog does sometimes win.
But what I have found in my experiences over the last 40 years as a wrestler and coach with over 20 years as a head high school coach and someone who wrestled in college is that in most cases, the guy that is supposed to win, the guy that is expected to win, the guy who is predicted to win, usually does.
The really good kids deal with all the adversity you listed and just go take care of business and still win. That's one of the main reasons that they are really good. And the rankings aren't talking about your average wrestlers, they are talking about the really good ones.

Once again, Chief is fine, don't worry about him, no need to defend him, Hakuna Matata. Chief gets plenty of affirmation like I said and the comments on his rankings aren't nasty. It's not like he is getting lambasted. He is just "earning his pay", he is "getting his just dues", he is "being taken to task", he is getting "what he deserves". If you are going to stand in judgement so to speak, you better be prepared for the consequences. If you are going to publish rankings, you better be prepared to face question and contradiction. Chief obviously gets a lot out of it and enjoys it or he wouldn't do it. But thanks for sticking up for him because he is a great guy that is doing a great job.

And I am not the least bit concerned about "adults" making nasty attacks on other adults as long as we are able to "face our accusers" so to speak, in other words leave your name. Anybody that posts on the forum should be prepared for what they get in return. I certainly am. But I am concerned when someone makes a nasty or derogatory comment about a kid. That is not acceptable and should never happen, not even if you leave your name.

And I don't know about the "factual meaning thing". But there is definitely a correlation between the rankings and the outcomes. There is a reason why the kids are ranked where they are. Chief's rankings won't mean "even less" in the end, they will mean just as much. But all of his rankings obviously won't be validated because nothing is perfect, not even Chief. The laws of physics and probability wouldn't allow that.

Yes there are a lot of factors that can "change the outcome". But like I said, when you are talking about ranking and predicting the outcome of matches involving really good kids, the "best" guy usually wins.

The rankings do mean something now and they will mean something in the end. They won't necessarily mean more or less, its' just that in the end we will determine which rankings are verified and which are refuted. Like I said, there is a good reason the kids are ranked where they are. In most cases, I am going with the rankings. I estimate they are no less than 90% accurate perhaps even 95%. But just wait and say. I bet that in the end, you will see that in most cases, the rankings were right.

I don't think anyone is getting too uptight. They are just enjoying themselves and playing along, and that is just what Chief expects. And aside from having some kind of qualifier, the rankings should be and need to be used to determine all star teams. If we didn't have rankings, we would still need a way to determine who is selected. With the rankings, at least we can see that process developing and understand and see the reasoning behind why particular selections were made.

And we certainly don't need a Grand State to determine who is the best in most cases.

Yes, it would be safe to say that if someone beats all the wrestlers on the all class list they would be the best at the weight.

But I will remind you that usually the people that are "complaining" are "adults" and don't get to wrestle. Most of the kids don't worry about it, they just go wrestle. The ones that do worry about usually don't complain on the forum, they just go wrestle. Everyone is just having a good time.

And of course it matters, everything matters. But of course the actual outcomes matter more.

And its usually not the people contradicting and "complaining" that are getting too uptight or worked up, its the ones "complaining" about the "complaining" that are.

Wyatt -
I agree with your comments for the most part, but your arguments read like you didn't even see Chief's most recent rankings a few hours prior to your post. ??

160:
1. Dustin Williams – GE – 11 - 6A - 33-0
2. Calvin Ochs – HOX – 12 - 321A - 34-0
3. Aaron Puckett – BS – 12 - 4A - 29-0
4. Noel Torres – EMP – 12 - 5A - 24-3
5. Kyle Armstrong – AN – 12 - 4A - 30-3
6. Johnny Perz - STA - 12 - 5A - 33-3
7. Warren Kropp - SC - 11 - 321A - 19-4
8. Bowe Behymer - BEL - 11 - 321A - 27-4
9. Dylan Wiesner - PLV - 11 - 321A - 26-5
10. Spencer Bird - SV - 11 - 4A - 27-4

XGHSWC,

I believe that you are correct in a lot of what you say. I look at high school wrestlers in this way: 1) There are the cream of the crop who would win almost any day of the week regardless of what was going on with them at that moment; 2) There are other wrestlers that have established themselves as a dangerous threat if the top dog is off their game for whatever reason; 3) There are some wrestlers who are just off the cusp of tier two who can win a match against the tier two wrestler who is off their game for whatever reason; 4) Then there are the rest. Back to what I think, the rankings are a lot of fun to follow and I appreciate the fact that someone would put the time and effort into predicting them. If I am a top dog or on tier two, I sure don't want to have an off day because there is someone waiting in the shadows to take advantage.

With all due respect...how is it that Perez is not ranked in the "all class" rankings at 120? For 6A 120 he is #2 and #1(Clemens) and #3(Weil) are listed "all class" at #8 & #9?

PREDICTION - BEFORE ALL SAID AND DONE AND NO OFFENSE TO ANY OF THE RANKED WRESTLERS, SPENCER WILSON WILL BE AT #2 IN ALL CLASS BEHIND ECK AT 182. HE IS JUST GETTING HIS FEET UNDER HIM AFTER A SEVERE CAR WRECK AND IS IMPROVING DAILY, I TRULY THINK HE IS THE ONE TO BEAT IN 5A. DONT BE PISSED ED

I had read the rankings around noon and the #8-#10 ranked wrestlers at 160 were a little different. Bird was sitting at #8, followed by Whitson, and Collins of Wichita South rounded out the final position in the top 10. Evidently after reading my post Chief didn't leave the reason for editing at the bottom of the All-Class Ranking's post.

10-4 to all that.

Becker should be #2 at 152. There is absolutely no reason for him not to be. He didn't lose to anyone below him so no one should have moved above him. Gehring is solid and he has had a really good year no doubt. His close win over Thibault was commendable and he should obviously move ahead of Thibault but not Becker. All it means to me is that Thibault was probably ranked just a little too high and should never have been ahead of Becker in the first place as I already suggested. If Becker was undefeated, you know he would be at #2. Becker's schedule is much tougher than Gehrings or Thibaults. You can't even compare them. Both Becker's losses, very close losses in the finals at Newton and Rosehill, are to out of state wrestlers. Becker should not be punished because Derby's schedule is much tougher than Buhlers. Plus Becker had a close loss to Williams (top at 160) in the finals at state last year. It is too bad they will not meet so that my prediction could be verified. Obviously Blackwell should be #1. But again, until Becker is beaten by someone on the list he should be behind only Blackwell.

Here is where you are wrong...

Gehring has more quality wins this year and Becker's schedule is not what it appears to be.

Becker - Quality Wins:
Villers - ARK
Helms - ARK
Leeper - MH
Wilson - LIB
Watkins - COL
Mitchell - SME - In OT

Gehring - Quality Wins: Has beaten 4 in the AC Top Ten.
Fiss - HUG - 2X
S. Ortiz - WNW
Clayborn - AUG
Hoskins - STA
Younger - ELL
Watkins - COL
Ryan - SV
Thibault - HAL - Previously undefeated.

Becker went to VC Duals and had no competition at 160. He went to SMNW tourney instead of Douglas on 12/8 and it was cake. Certainly the two OK guys that beat him are good, but he lost to them both. He is absolutely one of our best 152 pounders in the state but to say that he has had much tougher competition than Gehring is just not so.