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Triple Crown Question #218118
04/03/13 10:59 AM
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Can somebody tell me if the Folkstyle state is the 1st in the series or last of the Triple Crown?

Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Eagle One] #218120
04/03/13 11:00 AM
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Did you see that Eckenbacherswartzendruber?

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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Ed Wilson] #218138
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Let me clarify that the triple crown recognition is only for these age groups:

Schoolboy
Cadet
Juniors

You must be either a KSHSAA State Champ or a USAWKS Folkstyle champ then win the Greco Roman and Freestyle State tournaments to be recognized.


Will Cokeley
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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Cokeley] #218153
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Will,

Why is that? I think you could generate more interest in freestyle/Greco by offering this to all age divisions.


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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Jack Otero] #218156
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I don't know if thats correct Jonny won a triple crown 4 years ago and was not yet a schoolboy


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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Jack Otero] #218158
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My club had two wrestlers (Garrett Lange) and (Troy Fisher) that meet the requirements for the Triple Crown this year, but were not recognized for their accomplishment. I was told "they did not win a true Triple Crown" because of the number of wrestlers at their division. I guess the executive councel decided that they would combine weights to make the brackets harder, but still not include them in this award. This rule makes no sense at all! Our sport is under attack and being taken out of the Olympics, and we are not wanting to recognize kids that are wrestling all year so that they can get better and achieve what has been made out to be a big award. It was never the jacket that he wanted, but just to have his moment in the sun and for everyone to know that he did it. My son started at a very low level in wrestling and would have never thought he had a chance to achieve this goal. Now that he did it he feels robbed of it. Before Garrett’s finals match I told him to go out and show all of them that he was something special no matter what they say. He did and I could not be more proud. This year he has another chance of achieving that goal of TRIPLE CROWN, but now it seems a little tarnished and little less important in his eyes. I hope we can all learn from this. We all say we are doing all this for the kids, but it seems in this case we forgot that. As his dad I want to say that I am so proud of him! He makes me proud everytime he steps on the mat because I know how hard this sport is. WAY TO GO GARRETT AND TROY YOU DID IT!!!!!!!


Terence Lange
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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: T. Lange] #218164
04/03/13 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: T. Lange
My club had two wrestlers (Garrett Lange) and (Troy Fisher) that meet the requirements for the Triple Crown this year, but were not recognized for their accomplishment. I was told "they did not win a true Triple Crown" because of the number of wrestlers at their division. I guess the executive councel decided that they would combine weights to make the brackets harder, but still not include them in this award. This rule makes no sense at all! Our sport is under attack and being taken out of the Olympics, and we are not wanting to recognize kids that are wrestling all year so that they can get better and achieve what has been made out to be a big award. It was never the jacket that he wanted, but just to have his moment in the sun and for everyone to know that he did it. My son started at a very low level in wrestling and would have never thought he had a chance to achieve this goal. Now that he did it he feels robbed of it. Before Garrett’s finals match I told him to go out and show all of them that he was something special no matter what they say. He did and I could not be more proud. This year he has another chance of achieving that goal of TRIPLE CROWN, but now it seems a little tarnished and little less important in his eyes. I hope we can all learn from this. We all say we are doing all this for the kids, but it seems in this case we forgot that. As his dad I want to say that I am so proud of him! He makes me proud everytime he steps on the mat because I know how hard this sport is. WAY TO GO GARRETT AND TROY YOU DID IT!!!!!!!


The triple crown award was created without any rule or bylaw being written to clarify. Ned Price created this award in 2007. It was put in place to promote spring/summer wrestling. In 2009 and 2010 it became clear that it was counter productive as parents would NOT let us combine the weight classes to get kids matches. There were several brackets that had ONE wrestler. The parents/kids did NOT want to jeopardize their opportunity for the triple crown so they elected to collect their medal and go home. In 2010 the Executive Council voted unanimously to eliminate the triple crown award for age groups below schoolboy in response to the decision by the corporate board to combine weights in these same age divisions. Starting in 2011 there was only recognition for Schoolboy, Cadets, and Juniors. This decision was published in the minutes and there was no objection at the state body meeting. Schoolboy, Cadets, and Juniors age groups have structured USA weight classes as the FS/GR State tournaments are used to help set the line up for the FS/GR Dual teams that compete in June. No conspiracy or desire to not recognize anyone for their efforts and accomplishments. It was done to prevent controversy when bracketing. Wrestlers are not going to get better by getting a medal and not wrestling.

If it is important then someone can write a proposal and email it to Matt Treaster by July 31st and it will be discussed and made available to be voted on in the fall at the state body meeting.

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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Cokeley] #218166
04/03/13 05:30 PM
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Terence, I would recommend two things.

First write Treaster to get the rule applied in a way for all who desire the achievement, the chance to earn it.

Second as Garret and Troy are extraodinarly talented wrestlers and proof that summer wrestling makes winter champions. Compete if for no other reason that to participate in the schoolboy duals. Which for jonny was way more rewarding than any triple crown.
Plus last year after taking second at folkstyle state jonnys main goal in his bracket at FS GR state was to make sure anyone going for a triple crown not have any easy time doing so. A little bitter and petty I know but goals are goals


Jon Trowbridge
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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: hotrodder54] #218169
04/03/13 05:41 PM
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Jon,

Thanks for the kind words about our boys. I can tell you that the kids on our club love the challenge of wrestling your son whenever possible because he sets the bar for excellence. I will take your advice and have Garrett push to make a team for school boy duals as he loves to be challenged, and making new friends along the way. By the way there is nothing petty in wanting to make people EARN it.

Thanks!


Terence Lange
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Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: T. Lange] #218272
04/05/13 12:21 AM
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Didn't Troy win a triple crown in 2010 or 2011?

Re: Triple Crown Question [Re: Hovisdad] #218274
04/05/13 01:22 AM
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The Award is a bull^%$# award now anyways. What was meant to encourage participation is now discouraging because of all the red tape. Punishing those who show up because of those who don't. IGNORANCE at it's finest.


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