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[Re: Mark J Stanley]
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03/12/20 11:49 PM
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Too late. This why the tournament should be held in the middle of the state. District 4 travels the furthest. I hope schools are shut down tomorrow in Topeka!!!!!! This should be per discretion of the people who PAID AND WORKED to get here!!!!! I am OUTRAGED! My senior just lost a chance at his 5th state title because of ignorance!
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: proudmomma]
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03/12/20 11:57 PM
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I agree I am very angry.We live in a world where we should have our own choice to go and take the risk of getting the flu or a cold or whatever the hell it is.Kansas Department of health and environment want to choose what events we go to they better damn well be closing everyone’s work places and schools too !
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mark J Stanley]
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03/13/20 12:07 AM
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What about limiting fans? Just allow the athlete and their immediate family? I believe the nba is doing it that way. I think it’s dumb to have to do that or anything at all but I’m just trying to think of ways to allow our athletes to still compete but yet satisfy KDHE.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mark J Stanley]
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03/13/20 12:13 AM
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Anyone in Topeka have a huge building? Someone needs to fight for these wrestlers!!!!! People are already in Topeka. Hotels were to be cancelled by 4. Shirts have been bought by blue chip and the list goes on. Someone think!!!! The KDHE needs to shut the hell up and stay out of this!!! They have no clue the chaos THEY JUST CAUSED
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mark J Stanley]
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03/13/20 12:35 AM
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1,336 cases of COVID in the US total
16,000 influenza related DEATHS in the 2019-2020 season in the US alone.(per cdc)
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mark J Stanley]
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03/13/20 12:38 AM
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This does hurt. I was excited for our kids that made it, and to coach them. Nothing can be done, and I understand the KDHE decision. Do I like it? No, but I understand. Every weekend, all wrestlers, parents, and fans are subjected to any possible illness that any single person may have. I don't agree with the mass hysteria created by our up to the minute world we live in. I do commend Mike Juby for planning to still hold the tournament, and giving everyone knowledge that it was understandable if you didn't want to attend because of the situation. That being said, there is nothing that can be done about the decision, as it was the state, not USAWKS. It's above that. The financial issue for parents families, wrestlers, is also big. But that again is beyond USAWKS. Plainly said, the situation sucks, and there is nothing "we", the wrestling community, can do about it. Stay safe folks, and for some reason I guess we are supposed to stock up on toilet paper if it can be found.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mom1980]
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03/13/20 12:53 AM
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That’s only the confirmed cases of Covid-19. They don’t have fast accurate testing for all suspected cases.
The flu kills 1 in 1,000 cases and has a vaccine available to help prevent and/or lessen the severity of it. Covid-19 is killing over 1 in 100 with most stats showing almost 3 in 100. There were 38 deaths out of the 1600 cases in the US
KS and all surrounding states have multiple confirmed cases.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Bassman]
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03/13/20 12:56 AM
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mitch Copple]
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03/13/20 01:33 AM
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I respectfully disagree Cole. Doing nearly anything but sitting inside your house gives a chance to spread this disease going to the store going to work kids going to school everyday like I said anything but in your house is going to cause this to spread. Either we shut down everyone's lives or we keep going and be as careful as we can in our lives. Without the government forcing a total lockdown this will continue to spread just like the swine flu and the bird flu until medical professionals get a better grasp on how to control it. If you only count confirmed cases the death rate is around 2% which is 10 times higher then the influenza but if you read what several medical professionals around the world are saying they believe only 10% of the cases are being confirmed because the rest of the people do not have symptoms or have very mild symptoms. If you take that into account that would mean that the death rate is around to .2% which is very close to regular influenza. We do not stop going to ball games for large events because of influenza or otherwise change our lives which is why I do not believe we should stop the state tournament.
For what it's worth I don't know you very well but what I know about you you're a good guy. So me disagreeing with you does not mean that I think you're a jerk or an idiot or anything else just means we have a different opinion. I don't appreciate Mr Chapman's comments at all. Pointing fingers at us uninformed idiots trying to end the world by having a wrestling tourney in a state that has 1 or 2 presumptive cases of a virus that is proving to be no more deadly than the flu. Unelected bureaucrats at the health dept make decisions based on worse case scenarios, and always throw the old "if it saves one life, it was worth it BS" at us. I can't wait for all of them to apologize (yeah right) when this turns out to be no worse than the flu.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: J. Besco]
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03/13/20 01:43 AM
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Have ya missed the part about only 10% or less of the cases are even reported because of the mild to no symptoms? Which puts it right back at the same mortality rate as the flu.
And i don't like the word "presumptive" ..... if i want to create havoc for the owner of a business i don't like, i can be presumed to have the corona virus, after i tell my doctor (and after researching the symptoms) that i have Corona symptoms, and that i sneezed 34 times in that business an hour before.......
Had someone been CONFIRMED to have had it at a district tourney or something like that, then maybe we take a step back. But to screw businesses, hard working wrestlers, their families, and the USAWKS folks that have worked their asses off to get this thing ready to roll, 18 hours prior to liftoff, is complete BS.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Mom1980]
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03/13/20 01:47 AM
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Kshsaa hasn’t cancelled the state basketball tournaments have they?
How does KDHE have the authority to shut our event down but not The state BB tournaments? Excellent question.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Coach Chapman]
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03/13/20 02:00 AM
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You are putting the whole state of Kansas at risk by holding this event. What information could you have told the health dept. that would make them change the original recommendation for you to cancel the tournament? The whole State at risk? 4 cases, all in JOCO, and you think the whole state is at risk? People like you fuel the fire for the media blaze. Plain. and simple, KDHE and Shawnee county over stepped. We need to be concerned when government dictates when we can peacefully assemble.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: doug747]
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03/13/20 02:01 AM
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There’s no way to tell how many cases aren’t reported, unless everyone is constantly taking a test and get positives with no symptoms!!
Say it is only as deadly as the flu, there’s no vaccine for it.
So instead of being proactive, you just want to be reactive and potentially have the virus spread to all corners of the state and beyond. When Grandma and Grandpa die from the virus that you brought back because nothing had been “confirmed”yet, oh well that 8u bracket was worth it?
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: J. Besco]
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03/13/20 02:07 AM
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Circle of life. What do 70 and 80 year old do? They die, it's ok, it's natural. Hell when I'm 70 or 80 I'll expect something to get me. But you can be damn sure I wont be hiding from life or encouraging my kids to hide because of a virus that 4 people in the state have. How do you live your life scared? I just cant do that.
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
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03/13/20 02:08 AM
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: doug747]
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03/13/20 02:10 AM
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State basketball has been cancelled
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: J. Besco]
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03/13/20 02:11 AM
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Circle of life. What do 70 and 80 year old do? They die, it's ok, it's natural. Hell when I'm 70 or 80 I'll expect something to get me. But you can be damn sure I wont be hiding from life or encouraging my kids to hide because of a virus that 4 people in the state have. How do you live your life scared? I just cant do that. Circle of life. What do 70 and 80 year old do? They die, it's ok, it's natural. Hell when I'm 70 or 80 I'll expect something to get me. But you can be damn sure I wont be hiding from life or encouraging my kids to hide because of a virus that 4 people in the state have. How do you live your life scared? I just cant do that. Correct!
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: Beeson]
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03/13/20 02:17 AM
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J. Besco
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I’m not scared of it. If I get it, I get it. There are steps to take to avoid getting it, but everyone should be doing all of that during flu season anyways.
It sucks that everything is being cancelled, but I understand that it’s to try to prevent outbreaks.
We were all set to make the trip to Topeka, so we weren’t too worried about it. I think that if they were going to shut it down, it should have been done earlier in the week to allow plans to be canceled
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: J. Besco]
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03/13/20 02:19 AM
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There’s no way to tell how many cases aren’t reported, unless everyone is constantly taking a test and get positives with no symptoms!!
Say it is only as deadly as the flu, there’s no vaccine for it.
So instead of being proactive, you just want to be reactive and potentially have the virus spread to all corners of the state and beyond. When Grandma and Grandpa die from the virus that you brought back because nothing had been “confirmed”yet, oh well that 8u bracket was worth it? I’m not going to live life looking over my shoulder. The flu would have been something to worry about for the elderly at our tournament. Elderly are killed by the flu, and ill guarantee you the flu bug would have been present. I prefer to listen to the nurses, PAs, and doctors I know. They are way less concerned than the talking heads on cnn and abc.....
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Re: NEED TO KNOW 2020 State Tournament
[Re: doug747]
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03/13/20 02:25 AM
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I agree with you!
They all say to just take the normal precautions like the typical flu season. It isn’t the typical flu, but spreads the same way.
I’m just saying that I understand why they cancelled it. I don’t agree with the decision, but they did what they thought was necessary to help keep the public safe.
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