Doug said it best. Depends on what bracket your in on each tournament. Joc, liberty, or kick off, depends on who is going. saying they are no tougher than a local tourney is crap! You place at any of these you've earned it. Don't demeaning the kids by saying, placing at one of these events isn't any tougher than placing on any given weekend. Want to make them tough show up, don't look for excuses not to go, they all have national status, no matter how you look at it!!!!