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Child Abuse Law KSA 38-1522 #138778 02/10/09 02:32 AM
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This really gets under my skin at some of these tournaments and other youth sporting events. Do not tell me it is just tough love. I have approached parents out of line and I have had parents tell me that they will do what they want to their child - I informed them that I felt different about some of those particular situations. I think it can be a class B misdemeaner if you know about repeated situations and you do not report it.

Child Abuse Law KSA 38-1522

Kansas State law states that whenever one has reason to suspect that a child has been injured as a result of physical, mental, or emotional abuse or neglect or sexual abuse, the person shall report the matter promptly (KSA 38-1522).

http://www.accesskansas.org/kbi/info/docs/pdf/Child%20Abuse%20brochure.pdf

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Is this something that needs no discussion? At each tournament should Child Abuse be addressed at the coaches meeting or over the loud speaker right before the national anthem?

Re: Child Abuse Law KSA 38-1522 [Re: smokeycabin] #138814 02/10/09 11:43 AM
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KSA 21-4101 - KSA 21-4115 and the supplements

I thought maybe we need to add a few of these and bring it to the attention of our officials, security and the tournament directors.

Chapter 21: Crimes And Punishments
PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT
Article 41: Crimes Against The Public Peace
Statutes:
21-4101: Disorderly conduct.
21-4102: Unlawful assembly.
21-4103: Remaining at an unlawful assembly.
21-4104: Riot.
21-4105: Incitement to riot.
21-4106: Maintaining a public nuisance.
21-4106a: Reporting nuisance convictions to licensing authorities of clubs, drinking establishments and cereal malt beverage retailers.
21-4107: Permitting a public nuisance.
21-4108:
21-4109:
21-4110: Giving a false alarm.
21-4111: Criminal desecration.
21-4112:
21-4113: Harassment by telephone.
21-4114:
21-4115:
21-4101: Disorderly conduct. Disorderly conduct is, with knowledge or probable cause to believe that such acts will alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or other breach of the peace:
(a) Engaging in brawling or fighting; or

(b) Disturbing an assembly, meeting, or procession, not unlawful in its character; or

(c) Using offensive, obscene, or abusive language or engaging in noisy conduct tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others.

Disorderly conduct is a class C misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4101; July 1, 1970.

21-4102: Unlawful assembly. (a) Unlawful assembly is the meeting or coming together of not less than five persons for the purpose of engaging in conduct constituting either disorderly conduct, as defined by K.S.A. 21-4101 and amendments thereto, or a riot, as defined by K.S.A. 21-4104 and amendments thereto, or when in a lawful assembly of not less than five persons, agreeing to engage in such conduct.
(b) Unlawful assembly is a class B nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4102; L. 1971, ch. 107, § 3; L. 1992, ch. 239, § 190; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 139; July 1.

21-4103: Remaining at an unlawful assembly. (a) Remaining at an unlawful assembly is intentionally failing to depart from the place of an unlawful assembly after being directed to leave by a law enforcement officer.
(b) Remaining at an unlawful assembly is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4103; L. 1992, ch. 239, § 191; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 140; July 1.

21-4104: Riot. (a) Riot is any use of force or violence which produces a breach of the public peace, or any threat to use such force or violence against any person or property if accompanied by power or apparent power of immediate execution, by five or more persons acting together and without authority of law.
(b) Riot is a class A person misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4104; L. 1971, ch. 107, § 4; L. 1992, ch. 239, § 192; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 141; July 1.

21-4105: Incitement to riot. (a) Incitement to riot is by words or conduct urging others to engage in riot as defined by K.S.A. 21-4104 and amendments thereto under circumstances which produce a clear and present danger of injury to persons or property or a breach of the public peace.
(b) Incitement to riot is a severity level 8, person felony.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4105; L. 1971, ch. 107, § 5; L. 1992, ch. 239, § 193; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 142; July 1.

21-4106: Maintaining a public nuisance. Maintaining a public nuisance is by act, or by failure to perform a legal duty, intentionally causing or permitting a condition to exist which injures or endangers the public health, safety or welfare.
Maintaining a public nuisance is a class C misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4106; July 1, 1970.

21-4106a: Reporting nuisance convictions to licensing authorities of clubs, drinking establishments and cereal malt beverage retailers. (a) Upon a conviction of a violation of K.S.A. 21-4106 or 21-4607, and amendments thereto, for maintaining or permitting a public nuisance on the premises of a club or drinking establishment licensed under the club and drinking establishment act, the court shall report such conviction to the director of alcoholic beverage control.
(b) Upon a conviction of a violation of K.S.A. 21-4106 or 21-4607, and amendments thereto, for maintaining or permitting a public nuisance on the premises of a retailer licensed under K.S.A. 41-2701 et seq., and amendments thereto, the court shall report such conviction to the governing body of the city or county which issued the license.

History: L. 2004, ch. 1, § 8; Mar. 4.

21-4107: Permitting a public nuisance. Permitting a public nuisance is knowingly permitting property under the control of the offender to be used to maintain a public nuisance, as defined in section 21-4106.
Permitting a public nuisance is a class C misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4107; July 1, 1970.

21-4108:
History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4108; Repealed, L. 1992, ch. 298, § 97; July 1, 1993.

21-4109:
History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4109; Repealed, L. 1977, ch. 115, § 1; July 1.

21-4110: Giving a false alarm. (a) Giving a false alarm is:
(1) transmitting in any manner to the fire department of any city, township or other municipality a false alarm of fire, knowing at the time of such transmission that there is no reasonable ground for believing that such fire exists; or

(2) making a call in any manner for emergency service assistance including police, fire, medical or other emergency service provided under K.S.A. 12-5301 et seq., and amendments thereto, knowing at the time of such call that there is no reasonable ground for believing such assistance is needed.

(b) Giving a false alarm is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4110; L. 1984, ch. 122, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 239, § 194; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 143; L. 1997, ch. 181, § 2; May 29.

21-4111: Criminal desecration. (a) Criminal desecration is:
(1) Obtaining or attempting to obtain unauthorized control of a dead body or remains of any human being or the coffin, urn or other article containing a dead body or remains of any human being;

(2) by means other than by fire or explosive:

(A) Damaging, defacing or destroying the flag, ensign or other symbol of the United States or this state in which another has a property interest without the consent of such other person;

(B) damaging, defacing or destroying any public monument or structure;

(C) damaging, defacing or destroying any tomb, monument, memorial, marker, grave, vault, crypt gate, tree, shrub, plant or any other property in a cemetery; or

(D) damaging, defacing or destroying any place of worship.

(b) (1) Criminal desecration as described in subsections (a)(2)(B), (a)(2)(C) and (a)(2)(D) is:

(A) A severity level 7, nonperson felony if the property is damaged to the extent of $25,000 or more;

(B) a severity level 9, nonperson felony if the property is damaged to the extent of at least $1,000 but less than $25,000; and

(C) a class A nonperson misdemeanor if the property is damaged to the extent of less than $1,000.

(2) Criminal desecration as described in subsections (a)(1) and (a)(2)(A) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4111; L. 1971, ch. 109, § 2; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 66; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 144; L. 1994, ch. 291, § 39; L. 2006, ch. 194, § 25; May 25.

21-4112:
History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4112; Repealed, L. 1992, ch. 298, § 97; Repealed, L. 1993, ch. 291, § 283; July 1.

21-4113: Harassment by telephone. (a) Harassment by telephone is use of telephone communication for any of the following purposes:
(1) Making or transmitting any comment, request, suggestion or proposal which is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy or indecent;

(2) making a telephone call, whether or not conversation ensues, or transmitting a telefacsimile communication with intent to abuse, threaten or harass any person at the called number;

(3) making or causing the telephone of another repeatedly to ring, with intent to harass any person at the called number;

(4) making repeated telephone calls, during which conversation ensues, or repeatedly transmitting a telefacsimile communication solely to harass any person at the called number;

(5) playing any recording on a telephone, except recordings such as weather information or sports information when the number thereof is dialed, unless the person or group playing the recording shall be identified and state that it is a recording; or

(6) knowingly permitting any telephone or telefacsimile communication machine under one's control to be used for any of the purposes mentioned herein.

(b) Every telephone directory published for distribution to members of the general public shall contain a notice setting forth a summary of the provisions of this section. Such notice shall be printed in type which is no smaller than any other type on the same page and shall be preceded by the word "WARNING."

(c) Harassment by telephone is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

(d) As used in this section, "telephone communication" shall include telefacsimile communication which is the use of electronic equipment to send or transmit a copy of a document via telephone lines.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4113; L. 1976, ch. 158, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 79; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 145; July 1.

21-4114:
History: L. 1970, ch. 307, § 1; Repealed, L. 1992, ch. 298, § 97; Repealed, L. 1993, ch. 291, § 283; July 1.

21-4115:
History: L. 1971, ch. 109, § 1; L. 1984, ch. 122, § 2; L. 1990, ch. 101, § 3; Repealed, L. 1992, ch. 298, § 97; Repealed, L. 1993, ch. 291, § 283; July 1.


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Re: Child Abuse Law KSA 38-1522 [Re: smokeycabin] #138823 02/10/09 12:45 PM
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Wow someone has alot of time on his hands. SmokeyCabin has found the law, and now he wants everyone to enjoy it as much as he does. Just because you are upset about the tobacco thing, DON'T GO OVERBOARD. Unless a parent is striking, choking, cursing, or pulling the kids hair leave them alone. You have no idea what happened before you got there. Jake lost in Tulsa Finals three years ago...he went nuts, saying he got cheated, wanting to go fight the other kid. I gave him a spanking right there. Now for you bleeding hearts that did not know the whole story I was ABUSING him. You are starting to lose credibility with your KNOWLEDGE of the law. Personally I have not seen a problem with child abuse this year, so why bring it up.

There, you got some discussion.

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What kind of koolaid are you Shawnee guys drinking ?

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I bet Jake is a lot more well behaved after a loss now, isn't he?

Some people would have rather you told Jake he was right, he got cheated, told him to sue the referees, Jack Roller, and the other kid, and offered counseling for Jake, to get his feelings out in the open.........

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I wouldn't be considered an old school parent but I can tell you that I was always held accountable for my actions, sometimes with methods that would seem very extreme in this day and age. If my wrestlers disrespect me they can expect me to take action and sometimes IT'S NOT ALL NICE! In fact if you were passing by smokeycabin you may not like whats being said. You also may not know what transpired to bring about the circumstances for which your witnessing. All I can say is that some kids are very emotional and competitive, it's just in there nature. My son and many of my kids hate to loose ( even though I stress that every tournament Is practice for the big show and that losses only make us better). I feel it is my responsibility as a coach and a father to correct any negative action conveyed by my wrestlers. I want my young men to become men of dignity and young men who take responsibility for there actions and the way they carry themselves not only now but in there adult lives as well. Next time you see a parent who is talking to there kid and it may not be appropriate to you, don't judge that parent before you walked and day in there shoes.STICK THAT IN YOUR KANSAS LAW BOOK. By the way I chew mint Skoal, I'm blue collar to the core, I believe in a hard days work, I've never backed down from a fight,and if my name and redneck were in the same sentence I would be obliged to be proud of that.

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And you know what CBR's Dad -- you could coach my kid any day of the week! And I know he would listen to advice from you and respect you.


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Amen brother.

"I'd like to spit some Beechnut in that dude's eye, and shoot him with my ole' .45!!, and a country boy can survive!!"


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There is an old saying, and it is almost too simple:

"I only beat my kids when they need it"

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"Beating" a kid teaches them that violence is one way to solve personal problems. I don't want to teach my kids that lesson.


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I agree with Beeson and CBR's Dad. This is an emotional sport, both for the wrestler and the coach. I have been on both sides of this emotion. First as a wrestler and now as a coach, if I screwed up my coach (who at one time was my father) pulled me aside, calmed me down and told me what I did wrong. If it wasn't my fault, they still kept me in control, sometimes a little extra effort was needed. That happens sometimes. Now am I condoning abuse? OF COURSE NOT!!!!! But there still needs to be control by the coach/parent. If a swat or being yelled at is needed to get that control back, then so be it. If it becomes abusive, then yes someone should step in. If not, then stay out of other people's business.

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Proverbs 13:4 He who withholds his rod hates his son. But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.



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Does anybody know where I can get a rubber/plastic suit for a 55lber?LOL

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a guy sells them out behind the tobacco shop, in the casino parking lot where they hold anger management classes for people who sit mat side to video tape malnurished children that have fathers with no social graces.


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Of course you guys are the ones that like using the word "beat", when in fact it is a spanking.

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Depends if you are going to whip him with it, or make him wear it to cut weight............

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Cheif:

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Proverbs 13:4 He who withholds his rod hates his son. But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.



I love the Bible also. There are many ways to look at that verse that don't involve physical violence.

I see 'the rod' as a metaphor for discipline.

I have taught for 20 years. Kids respect me. I run a very tight ship. They get consequences (sometimes positive/sometimes negative). I have never had to hit one of them to get them to do what I want/need them to do. The same applies to my own kids (beit, I have only been a parent for 6 years now).

On the Sermon on the Mount - does Jesus really want us to pluck our eye out if it causes us to sin? I doubt it. Otherwise, the world would be full of nothing but one-eyed men.

As I am sure you know, not everything in the Bible is to be read literally. This applies to any great work of literature.


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" As I am sure you know, not everything in the Bible is to be read literally. This applies to any great work of literature. "

oh no! now you've started something.

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I would prefer that others not do my job, which is the discipline of my children. It is a parents' job. However, I sure as heck want to know if my kid is acting up and needs some "tough love", cause if teacher or coach isn't willing to do it, I will. Matter of fact, my kids know that the worst part of getting in trouble with a teacher or coach, is that they have to come home and face me for discipline session #2.

I really am sick of this "resolve conflict peacefully" BS that the schools are preaching as well. If my kid mouths off to someone, he ought to be prepared to have his lip swelled up, or in the immortal words of Roy D. Mercer, have a "pop knot put on his head". If that doesn't happen, my kid will continue to mouth off to people, without ever learning the consequences.

The spa treatment that we give the Gitmo prisoners is another good example of backwards thinking nowadays.

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