Best Team Ever in Kansas
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What was the best wrestling team ever in the History of Kansas? The criteria is it can be from any class any year but better be a state champion team.
When you name the team give me some good backup for your reason such as number of state champs and placers, points scored at state and undefeated wrestlers. Also include success of the wrestlers on the team at the college at the level.
I'll start. Back when I was wrestling the '88 Emporia team was tough. I think they had 2 state champs and 10 out out of the 12 placed in the top 4. Maybe Emporia fan can point out some better EHS teams. I know Ark City also had some loaded teams.
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Re: Best Team Ever in Kansas
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03/08/09 04:38 AM
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Is the Grand State teams of Kapaun too obvious of a choice?
OK then, I will go with some of those those 80's Beloit teams when they would have six state champions on one team.
I am sure that somebody has the stats on these guys. I remeber the Treasters, but I am too tired tonight to look it all up.
I'll get back if no body posts on these guys.
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Re: Best Team Ever in Kansas
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03/08/09 06:12 AM
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I have to agree w/Beloit. There were MANY state champions, some more I remember (sorry if I get some first names wrong, it's been awhile!): Greg Heidrick, Tim Benoit, Steve Brown, Todd Johnson, Toby Johnson, Parrish Blanding, Brett Creager, Blaise Klenda, The Hewitt's, The Adam's, etc...didn't they win 6 team titles in a row?
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03/09/09 02:42 AM
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Have to agree with the Grand State championships of Kapuan.
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Re: Best Team Ever in Kansas
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03/09/09 03:35 AM
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How about the Hoxie team from 1971 that won 2-1A with 8 finalist and 5 champions, not sure on who all the team members were but here is a link: 1971 Hoxie Finalist Champions Hoxie won state that year with 96 point compared to Oakley’s 58. Champions are as follows: John Pope at 105 Ron Rumback at 119 Ron Campbell at 126 Mike Scott at 132 Roger Mauck at 138 They were obviously very talented in the lighter weights. Note: This was the most state finalist and tied for champions in Kansas Wresting History. Hoxie also won the title in 1969 and 1972 with several of the same team members I would imagine.
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03/09/09 03:43 AM
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Ark City from 1989 to 1991 had 5 state champions in each year, would have to be mentioned as one of the top teams too. Also Kaupun had 5 champions in 1986 so they were a pretty good team too.
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Re: Best Team Ever in Kansas
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03/09/09 03:47 AM
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Ark City had another set of banner years when they had the most state placers in Kansas Wrestlin History with 10 in 1993 and 1996. 10 Placers
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03/09/09 03:34 PM
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"with attitude, will, and some spirit"
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03/09/09 03:48 PM
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1979 St Francis 9 in the top four with four champs!
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03/09/09 06:04 PM
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Baker's Dozen in 2003 wasn't too bad... State Record for most points scored in a state tournament.
6 Finalists (3 Champs) 3 Consolation Finalists 2 5/6th Consolation Finalists 2 DNP's
103- Farber 2nd 112- Schamberger 3rd 119- Baker 1st 125- Spillman 2nd 130- Gilliland 1st 135- Schippers 1st 140- Schippers 2nd 145- Schamberger 6th 152- Lewis 4th 160- Campbell DNP 171- Shipley 4th 189- Cooper DNP 215- Pratt 6th 275- No Entry
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03/09/09 06:51 PM
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yeah that hoxie team was pretty awesome, but the depth of the ark city teams was unbelievable. kids were jv one year behind a state champ then came out the next year and pulled a championship.
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03/10/09 01:29 AM
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1984 - (4A) Johnson, Todd [Beloit] ( 98 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Treaster, Chad [Beloit] (105 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Johnson, Toby [Beloit] (112 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Creager, Brett [Beloit] (119 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Treaster, Matt [Beloit] (132 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Adams, Jeff [Beloit] (155 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 193, runnerup Columbus 81.5)
Only 12 weight classes.
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Mike Riemann at 145lbs. was 1 pt. from being the 7th state champ on that Beloit team that placed 9 out of 12, today with 6 medals, all 12 would have placed, the other 3 lost in the consolation semi-finals. Beloit lined up 12 out of 12 at the Norton 4A substate that year in the Finals (took the whole side as I remember), and also the Norton Inv. that year.
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1984 - (4A) Johnson, Todd [Beloit] ( 98 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Treaster, Chad [Beloit] (105 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Johnson, Toby [Beloit] (112 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Creager, Brett [Beloit] (119 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Treaster, Matt [Beloit] (132 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Adams, Jeff [Beloit] (155 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 193, runnerup Columbus 81.5)
Only 12 weight classes. Thanks Coach Neil, Ding Ding Ding we have a winner! That was exactly the Beloit team that I was thinking of. Great research on your part
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Those Beloit teams were before my time, but every time we go to the Beloit Tournament and sit in their wrestling room to eat during the breaks, we look with amazement at their placer wall during that incredible run they had. We always look at 1984 with the most amazement. One of the things that makes that tourney so cool is the great wrestling tradition that exists in Beloit. They did a fantastic job of celebrating that this year at their tourney.
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Re: Best Team Ever in Kansas
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Many Beloit people might argue that was not their best team in that run of 6 consecutive team titles, but at the state tournament, it was the most successful of any team ever in the history of the state by having 6 champs in 12 wts., and placing 9 out of 12. I think Ark City placed 10 one year. Ark City has the most team titles at 18.
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Amazing run for 6 years 25 State Champions 6 State Team Titles 949 Team points
1980 - (4A) Hewitt, Mark [Beloit] ( 98 lb. ) 1980 - (4A) Brown, Steve [Beloit] (126 lb. ) 1980 - (4A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 126.5, runnerup Norton 98.5)
1981 - (3-2-1A) Treaster, Matt [Beloit] (105 lb. ) 1981 - (3-2-1A) Hewitt, Mark [Beloit] (112 lb. ) 1981 - (3-2-1A) Brown, Steve [Beloit] (132 lb. ) 1981 - (3-2-1A) Heidrick, Greg [Beloit] (145 lb. ) 1981 - (3-2-1A) Englebert, Leon [Beloit] (167 lb. ) 1981 - (3-2-1A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 181.5, runnerup St. Francis 97)
1982 - (3-2-1A) Treaster, Matt [Beloit] (119 lb. ) 1982 - (3-2-1A) Benoit, Tim [Beloit] (132 lb. ) 1982 - (3-2-1A) Brown, Steve [Beloit] (145 lb. ) 1982 - (3-2-1A) Heidrick, Greg [Beloit] (155 lb. ) 1982 - (3-2-1A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 137, runnerup Oberlin 91.5)
1983 - (3-2-1A) Johnson, Toby [Beloit] (105 lb. ) 1983 - (3-2-1A) Blanding, Parrish [Beloit] (119 lb. ) 1983 - (3-2-1A) Treaster, Matt [Beloit] (126 lb. ) 1983 - (3-2-1A) Hewitt, Mark [Beloit] (132 lb. ) 1983 - (3-2-1A) Klenda, Blaise [Beloit] (138 lb. ) 1983 - (3-2-1A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 189.5, runnerup Oberlin 98)
1984 - (4A) Johnson, Todd [Beloit] ( 98 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Treaster, Chad [Beloit] (105 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Johnson, Toby [Beloit] (112 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Creager, Brett [Beloit] (119 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Treaster, Matt [Beloit] (132 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Adams, Jeff [Beloit] (155 lb. ) 1984 - (4A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 193, runnerup Columbus 81.5)
1985 - (4A) Johnson, Todd [Beloit] (105 lb. ) 1985 - (4A) Creager, Brett [Beloit] (119 lb. ) 1985 - (4A) Deets, Mark [Beloit] (155 lb. ) 1985 - (4A) Beloit [Beloit] (Team Champions Beloit 121.5, runnerup Columbus 90)
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Ark City's first 6 team championships scored 995 team points. Ark City's second 6 team championships scored 1110 team points.
Combined Team Points for the record 11 Team Championships 1,930.
Ark City averaged 175 team points per year. Beloit averaged 158.
39 State Champions 6 2x State Champions 5 3x State Champions 2 4x State Champions
Not too bad...at least worth mentioning.
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Re: Best Team Ever in Kansas
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03/10/09 06:03 PM
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Did Ark City Start that streak when there were 12 or 14 weight classes? I might also add that there were more teams to compete for points when Beloit was doing this in 3A and 4A. I'm not to taking anything away from Ark City. Jackson might well be the best coach ever in Kansas. Pretty amazing run he had at AC.
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Ark City started the streak in 1988, the last year for 12 weight classes. The next year the 95 lb. weight class was dropped but there were 13 weight classes. I believe it was two more years before 215 was added making 14 weights.
Dropping the 95 lb. weight class actually hurt Ark City. Scotty Goodale 3x state champion and Brooks Travis 2x state champion both had to wrestle 112 instead of 103 because better wrestlers (state champions) were at 103. I remember Scotty drinking and eating before weigh in to make 103 so he could wrestle 112. Both of these wrestlers won state at 103 the following year respectively. With a 95 lb weight class Ark City could have very likely had 6 state champions two years in a row.
One more side note: Ark City beat the 6A state champions at the Newton tournament in 1989 and 1990 by 40 points. I can not find my scrap book for 1991 but they won Newton that year also, with the 6A state champs attending.
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