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Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: Cokeley] #147511 04/22/09 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: Cokeley
The votes should be roll call votes and the results should be accompanied by full disclosure of who voted for what. The minutes should be posted within the next two days as well. There should be absolutely NOTHING going on in these meetings that should be withheld from our membership. Secrecy creates a perception of "they are trying to hide something from us" which leads to mistrust. I feel the overwhelming majority of our organization would be in favor of 100% full disclosure.
Prior to the meeting I made it clear I was going to request a Roll Call vote on the State Tournament bid packages. I received resistance. Were you to check with Tuff he will confirm there was a motion made from District 2 for a roll call vote.

The vote on the motion carried however the motion did not receive 100 percent support.

I have major heart burn over a District Director or officer who does not wish to have their vote recorded in the meeting minutes.


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Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: RichardDSalyer] #147520 04/22/09 05:11 PM
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Frankly, I am embarrassed that I forgot that the Executive Board in a non-profit organization and is NOT governed by KOMA or KORA. I must apologize to Richard, Mike et al for the error! (I spent too many years working with boards and councils)

However, I truly fee our Executive Board should continue to strive for the transparency that is present by law, in (most) government boards!

I agree with Richard, as an elected official, representing the ones that elected you, you should never fear the record! And, you should never fear facing your people if you voted for them.

Now for some of you naysayers ... with the revelation that our board would have expended an additional $10,000+ per year, I am still confident in our board and perhaps, you should be too!


Are you making a POSITIVE difference in the life of kids?

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Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: usawks1] #147529 04/23/09 12:01 AM
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I am not commenting on the state tourney location. But it is gutless and cowardly for anyone, that is supposed to be representing others, to NOT have their vote go ON THE RECORD. GUTLESS. COWARDLY.

Anyone care to argue with me on that??

Doug

PS if Jerry Dale wants to keep it a secret that he votes strictly a Democratic, LIberal ticket, that is his business. He is only representing his own views.

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Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: doug747] #147531 04/23/09 01:31 AM
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Randy is completely right. I really do not understand why anyone would complain about what our E-Board did. They had an offer that was $11,000 better than the others. We do not have to pay for parking or park 4 blocks away. No matter where you want the tournament its a no-brainer. And, yes the votes should be on the record, because anyone who voted against saving/making $11,000 a year, I would have to ask what is their motive. Now maybe it should be a one year deal to keep the pressure on.

And, Richard, what is your point. Are you saying that if USA Kansas did not help out with things like the Middle School Duals they could have the tournament in Wichita??? That makes no sense. I thought the point was to improve wrestling in Kansas, things like the Middle School Duals do that. It would be nice if we made more money on the state tournament and help to lower the costs fot this tournament. The way Will did it, EVERYONE who wanted to go, got to - equal opportunity.

Someone is going to have to drive, that is the way it is, best bid - fair enough.

And, what is wrong with voting democratic - like any good Union man.

Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: John Johnson] #147545 04/23/09 02:03 PM
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I used to like you John......

Actually, I base my votes on whether they support the Fair Tax or not. If they don't, no vote. If they do, they get my vote, Repub or Dem. It just seems that there a lot more Repubs that see the opportunities that the Fair Tax creates, than Dems.

Did we get offsubject here?

Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: doug747] #147559 04/23/09 06:02 PM
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one thing I would like to see changed for state is having to pay for your entry. You wrestle to get there not buy your way after you wrestle your butt off. So out of the 11,000 that we just saved maybe we can take care of that problem. you will walk at the expocentre to. no matter what side you park on you will walk just as far as the coliseum. thats good for chubby ole boys like me though. As for the rooms guess I will stay at my brother in laws house. maybe I can rent his garage out for the weekend for some of those who dont want to pay 80-100 each night.


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Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: bockman] #147563 04/23/09 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: bockman
one thing I would like to see changed for state is having to pay for your entry. You wrestle to get there not buy your way after you wrestle your butt off. So out of the 11,000 that we just saved maybe we can take care of that problem. you will walk at the expocentre to. no matter what side you park on you will walk just as far as the coliseum. thats good for chubby ole boys like me though. As for the rooms guess I will stay at my brother in laws house. maybe I can rent his garage out for the weekend for some of those who dont want to pay 80-100 each night.


Ten bucks says after hearing that you plan on staying for the weekend, that you brother in law pays the 80-100 bucks a night for your hotel.


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Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: bockman] #147571 04/23/09 07:27 PM
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The Wichita bid was for the new arena downtown, not the Coliseum. In my opinion parking at the new arena is going to be a problem for awhile or maybe forever.


Re: USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection [Re: sportsfan02] #147643 04/26/09 10:49 PM
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The vote was merely for show. I called a week ahead of the state meeting, to the hotel that our club stayed at. The hotel director told me that she knew someone one the board. They told her that the state tourny was going to be in Topeka next year. I am glad that I made that call and already have rooms reserved. Yes I had reservations made before the state meeting. The board listen but it was a bobble head agreeing they were doing.

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