Lansing first place by 50 plus points over ST Aquinas. Not sure posted scores included 215 and 285 brackets. Did not matter anyway.

Match of interest: 112 #s Pursell Lansing VS Williams ST Aquinas. Pursell by 1 point at 3-2 or 4-3.

Want to present a situation that happened today at this regional.

Wrestler A leads 7 to 6 in the 3rd period in a Consolation semi--A scramble as both wrestling hard to advance to State and to the 3rd place match. As I recall they were down with A in control. B trying for something and REFs signals B locked hands--B proceeds and gets the reversal, ref signals 2 points. B then takes A on his back and gets 3 more points, they roll around for a short while and B again earns 3 near fall points. Scoreboard now reads A 7 --- B 14. Clock expires and B jumps for joy. B going to State

Wrestler A's crowd going crazy, everyone else wondering why.

Refs go into conference, then go to score table, back to conference. Not sure but think they called other refs over for a bigger conference.

Refs take 8 points away from B and have the clock reset to 1:22. Scoreboard now reads A 7 -- B 6. To say the least, B is confused, the crowd is confused. Refs re-start the match and A goes on to win. B not going to State.

I don't dispute the call but the crowd and I would have liked an explaination of what happened--and why. Nothing said.

I hope someone explained it to B. Not sure it would have registerwd!!

After the match I talked to A's assistant coach in the hallway. His response was that action should have been stopped after the reversal which followed the locked hands signal---B could not score points untill after a re-start.

Bad situation either way. If allowed to stand and B the winner--A robbed. 14 points deducted, time put on clock, match restarted and B lost--B not robbed but stll leaves a sour taste.

Who messed up. Sorry, but have to put it on both refs.

You are correct that Wrestler A was in control. So wrestler B cannot be called for locked hands. But it was wrestler A who was called for locked hands. Wrestler B then stoodup and attempted a reversal and ended up on his back and the ref started counting. There was never a reveral. Should have been stopped right then and penalty point awarded to "B" and then restart with "A" in control. What was irritating was that there were two refs. Second ref should have at least told primary ref that he had called locked hands and no points could be gained by offending wrestler. I felt bad for wrestler A losing after almost sticking B, but it was the right call.

This was actually the 5A regional at Turner HS.

That's the one. 160lb match

Coachise:

Guess my sequence was wrong--trying to watch 2 matches at same time.

But, if it was A who locked hands why was B pinished. Would think B awarded l point on A's tech violation and wrestling would have continued with B's 2 point reversal followed by two 3 point nearfalls. Ineffect, A's locked hands were in consequential.

In soccer, and I know a lot of you out there do not care for soccer, the referwee can call "PLAY ON" and let action continue until he can determine that some one gained an advantage by the violation. In our wrestlers' case A did not get an advantage due to his violation. B was punished for A's action and was possibly robbed of 8 points,a win, and a trip to State.

Unless someone has this match on film and can put it on Youtube so we can view it we can't make a good call. Any film--can you call it film if using a digital camera?

I think I will put this in the 'Ask the Ref Forum!

Instead of "A" and "B" it was Wyandotte and Aquinas. Wyandotte was in control. Ref signalled locked hands on Wyandotte and Aquinas tried to reverse and got put on his back. Ref should have stopped match and awarded 1 point to Aquinas and reset the wrestlers with Wyandotte on top. Instead he started counting for 3 nf for wyandotte. Aquinas got out of it and got turned again. When action finally stopped, Aquinas coach conferred and ref agreed he had made the locked hands call. This all took 1:22. So they reset the clock and went from there. I felt bad for the Wyandotte kid, but it was the correct call.

Yoursequencing does not accout for the score at the start of the action, STA 7 Wyn 6, or how Wyn got eight points from 2 x 3 bear falls. The scoreboard at the "first" end of the match read STA 7 Wyn 14---and then they took eight points away. Score again Sta 7 Wyn 6. Does not compute!!!

Its on Ask the Ref under Ask the Ref

Bad reffing. Period. When the top man locks his hands he cannot score. You give the bottom man a chance to finish his move, if he does not score on that move you stop and award bottom man his point, If bottom man scores, he gets those points plus one for the locked hands and action continues. Everything allowed after that in the match is "Badtime".

There were 4 refs at that regional 2 were good and 2 were not. I heard the state was 8 refs shorts for regionals and called in 8 guys that did not meet the state requirements for reffing a regional. that is what you get.