coaches bands at Hutch
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01/22/06 06:19 PM
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I thought that Hutchinson put on a pretty good tournment with the exception of their policy of 1 coaches band per 5 wrestlers. Why is it at most tournaments in this state that coaches bands are given free to whom ever has a coaches card? I would like to know what anyone else thinks about this. I feel they should've given at least 2 bands per 5 wrestlers.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/22/06 09:18 PM
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I think that the Hutch Tournament this year was great and well run.The coach band issue I think was great because you did not have everyone down on the floor so that the coach and wrestlers had more room to warm up and talk.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/22/06 11:41 PM
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Zach F. Dad
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Here is my 2 cents for what is worth. This sport is already expensive enough. If I had to pay $10 for every tournament I coached, I would quit coaching.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 12:40 AM
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sportsfan02
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Originally posted by Zach F. Dad: Here is my 2 cents for what is worth. This sport is already expensive enough. If I had to pay $10 for every tournament I coached, I would quit coaching. Where does the $10 come into play?
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 01:33 AM
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Zach F. Dad
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Hutchinson only allowed 1 coaches band per 5 wrestlers. So, if you needed any addtional coaches bands you had to pay $10 for each additional band. Which seemes a little odd because most of the time there are 2 coaches matside. What if you had more than one wrestler up at a time with only one coach?
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 06:45 AM
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Thank goodness we had coaches "Dads" pay out of their own pocket. We took 10 kids, at one time we had 4 mats going.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 04:13 PM
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putting in my 2 cents, only because we brought 33 kids to the tournament and were allotted 7 coaches bands, and I KNOW for a fact that a few times there were more than 7 kids up at a time on the mats. I personally don't mind paying a little bit for extra coaches bands, but when you have a large club bringing a lot of kids to a tournament, such consideration should play in a part of the coach band situation and maybe the ratio should be a little different. of course you will always get both sides of every situation and for the most part Hutch ran a very well organized tournament.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 04:16 PM
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I am so glad to know that I am not the only one that was not too happy with the one wrist band rule per 5 wrestlers. Even state gives you two to start with. Yes, I understand about wanting to keep extra people off the floor, but every tournament I have been to allows 2 coaches on the mat at one time per wrestler. I called ahead of time to ask about this and they said that they would not be wristbands so that if we got in a bind we could use someone else pass then give it back. This was not true at all. We only took 2 kids down and since they are the same weight but different ages they wrestle almost the same time quite a bit. Our coaches had no choice but to buy another wristband. We have a small club and feel that paying an extra $10 per tournament is ridiculous. If they keep this policy next year, I'll find somewhere else to go!
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 05:08 PM
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Nigel Isom
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I think the real question is do you actually NEED two coaches in the corner?
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 05:22 PM
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Zach F. Dad
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Well Nigel, alot of times one coach will keep stats while the other is coaching the wrestler. We all know that there sometimes errors made at the score table. Set aside the fact that you normaly have 2 coaches matside. Let's say your club only brought 5 kids,you are only allowed, by Hutchinson, 1 coach. What happens when you have 2 wrestlers on 2 different mats? You hold up one mat. If this was to carry on through the tournament it would slow the tournament down. Was the rule made to keep coaches off the floor or was it to make more money. Because I'm willing to bet that there were just as many coaches on the floor as there would've been regardless. On an upnote, with the exception of the coaches bands I feel that Hutchinson put on a great tournament.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 06:05 PM
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I am with Hutchinson Kids Wrestling Club.The reason for the coaches' wristbands was to eliminate the congestion on the Arena Floor. This made it easier for the coaches and wrestlers to get to their mat and have enough room to warm-up. In the past, the Arena floor was so congested that it made it very difficult for the wrestlers to get to their mats and the workers to move from table to table. The rent for the Sports Arena is $2100, NO proceeds come from concessions, and with the cost of 17 referees, 2 police officers, 2 custodians and other expenses, there is very little profit made from this tournament. It was not our intention to make money from the sale of the wristbands but to ease crowd control. We are monitoring the web site and welcome your input. These thoughts and concerns will be brought to the attention of our tournament board for our 2007 Tournament. Thank-You.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 06:19 PM
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I was at the Hutch tournament as an official and I thought they did a great job not only with administration but with crowd control as well. Too often at tournaments I end up having to push 5 coaches for the same wrestler back off the mat. Now obviously there are circumstances like you described involving multiple wrestlers. I do agree that a tournament should probably give 2 passes to clubs with 5 or less wrestlers signed up. But I have no problem with them charging for additionals beyond the 1 pass per 5 or whatever ratio they setup
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 07:04 PM
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Zach F. Dad
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Hutchwrestling,
all in all you guys put on a great tournament with great competion. Maybe just re-think the coaches band thing next year and allow a minimum of 2 bands. Hope that I can be there again next year, and thanks for your hard work.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 07:14 PM
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Our club discussed using bands for an invite this year but eventually decided against it. With us using two gyms, I would have recommended one pass per club and then another pass for every 4 entries. At last years qualifiers it became known to us that parents at other clubs were getting coaches bands when that club's directors/coaches didn't want them matside. Maybe charging for extra bands would help in these situations.
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 11:01 PM
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I am starting to think that maybe 1:3 ratio would be best.... not too many but at the same time not too few wrestlers per coach.
One thing I would question is how many wrestlers per coach can one coach effectively handle?
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Re: coaches bands at Hutch
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01/23/06 11:38 PM
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Yes! Please thin down the crowds on the floor!
I've had to pay extra many times before. I don't like it, but I sure do like the visible results on the floor. And it really does seem worth the inconvenience to me.
I've never seen a coach in the chair (nor would I want to) keeping stats. A statistition can easily sit in the stands.
Plus what skill level was the tournamnet? One coach giving directions, is better for the wrestler anyway (my son and I learned that the hard way).
I agree with hutchwrestling and Nigel. It's a good policy. Too many people are needlessly getting in the way.
Bronco Wrestler did ask the real question though, and maybe a ratio of 1:3 is better, as suggested.
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