I am not sure how this is exactly suppose to be applied. when a wrestler turns his opponent for back points, and the counting begins, and the one losing points starts scream and cry like he is hurt doesnt the top wrestler get all back point plus 1? I seen a wrestler do this again this year at Regionals, the 1st for him in high school but the wrestler reciving points only got 2 points for a near fall.

I thought it was supposed to be a 4pt near fall. I thougth there was also something like choice of position after an infraction.

It depends when he cries out, if he's being turned and not yet there, it's pretty eminent that he'll be turned so it would be 2 plus 1 for stopping the match, the same if he has a 2,3,4 count, but if the official gets the 5 count, then it is 3 + 1. You only get your choice of position after the second time-out.

Rule 5-9-2

f. If the defensive wrestler is injured or indicates an injury or bleeding occurs just prior to near-fall criteria being met, the match shall be stopped and a two point near fall shall be awarded;

g. If the defensive wrestler is injured or indicates an injury or bleeding occurs after a two-point near fall is met, the match will be stopped and a three point near fall shall be awarded;

h. If the defensive wrestler is injured or indicates an injury or bleeding occurs after a three-point near fall is earned, the match will be stopped and a four-point near fall shall be awarded;

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

Is this a racial arguement?

Dear no knee pads, I don't usually complain and try to be understanding but this is the second post on this topic you've written. Frankly, I have difficulty following either one.

I'll summarize Randy.

1. Jesse Barber is a good kid and a freshman.
2. He was disqualified for apprently using a "crossface" which I can only assume he swung with flagrently for the disqualification.
3. The official was an evil, evil HISPANIC man who had ties to the mob err I mean to the other kids mom.
4. Life isn't fair and apprently neither is wrestling.

Actually this one makes THREE!

One

Two

Three

Edit: Thankfully, number two has been removed.

wow nigel i will congratulate on you a nice swish lol but i do have to say you've made the most sense out of that than i could ever make lol maybe cuz it seemed so not important.

Not that arguing what happened would do any good now, but if you were going to launch a formal complaint, its going to have to be in some distingushable form of English first. Somehow I don't think "The ref didn't want so and so to win" Is going to hold much water.... anywhere.

Thanks for the input. In the Campus Regionals I had watched the 103 finals and this had happened. The ref had already gotten to the 3 count on his way to the 4th and the match was briefly stopped and only 2 points were awarded. It seemed as if the momentom had shifted after he got off his back. He might or might not have been pinned but we will never know. I believe that if the proper points would have been given then the score would have been tied and went into overtime. I strongly stress once again he might have been pinned.

You apparently were not watching the match as carefully as you thought. Hagan (KMC) did a peterson. The reversal was given, but no backpoints were counted because Keller was still sitting up and his back was too high off the ground. When Hagan leaned back into him, Keller fell back trapping his free arm awkwardly underneath him. While he did cry out in pain, you should have noticed the ref put his right arm behind his head (which is the sign for potentially dangerous) and then stop the match. There was never even a one count. The ref stopped the match for a potentially dangerous position and not because of the cry of pain (which negates the said cry baby rule).

At first the ref did not give any back points at all but after the KMC coach complained and the two refs conferred they gave Hagan two points because the backpoints were eminent (as rule 5-9-2 f indicates). I beleive this was a good use of the associate ref and I did not argue the points.

But to "stongly stress once again he might have been pinned" is a stretch. It was a peterson - a fine move but not usually a pinning combination. Now it is conceiveable that he might have switched off to a headlock and gone for a pin, but that is assuming alot.

And to say it would have gone into overtime is to ignore the fact that Hagan has not ridden Keller for longer than a minute in any of the three matches they wrestled. (Keller won all three of them.)

There are cases where wrestlers abuse the cry baby rule to create an advantage or to avoid a pin, but this was not one of them.

I believe as per the video that i reviewed you are almost accurate but there was a count. The other matches do not need to be mentioned, Just the one we are talking about. I had seen Keller in more than one tournament cry out when he was put on his back which appears to stop the pin. Yes it is a coinsidence but it is pretty funny that it has happened when he was being put on his back. I understand that you might be the coach there, but bif I remember you did go to the official right after he gave 2 points.You might not have argued but if there really was a count and you only lose 2 points and win by 2 then I would not argue either.

You can tell he is lost in the numbers of a big school by the way he talks. Some know how to focus in a big school and are educated, sadly he is not with the way he tries to communicate on this forum.

I have yet to figure the cry baby rule out. We had a wrestler that was (crying out) in his match and he did nothing about it and let the match continue. After the fall he took the wrestler back to the trainers table and proceeded to put his shoulder blade back in- per a chiropractor. I was disappointed in the official because it probably cost this wrestler a shot at going to State.

I know it is the officials judgement but when we head to the locker room to get a closer look at it -the kids in there were talking about what a cryer this wrestler was- so if they noticed then the official should have as well.

Have a Question about Time Out

Can a wrestler just call for a time out or injury?

Or is it up to the official to the extent he feels the wrestler is hurt?

BAsicly if I was a wrestler and I felt I was injuried what do I do?

I saw a kid in the Chapman-Junction City match or might have been Clay Center -Junction match (they were in a double dual so can't remember who was against junction) but a jc kid was being taken down and yelled timeout and the ref gave it to him and no takedown for the other guy!

Well that was not good.

I believe that wrestling2005 has a problem with the Keller boys. I think that one of two things may have occurred, either they have been beaten by one of them, or that the Keller boys have beaten their son or daughter. Who knows because they have to hide behind their screen name. I believe the cry baby rule needs to be awarded to wrestling2005. I have reviewed the film and yes there was a count, one count before stopping the match. The appropriate points were awarded.