DOES EVERYONE AGREE THAT KANSAS CITY'S REGIONALS ARE REALLY WEAK AND THE COMPETITION THEY WRESTLE IS ALSO, THEY COME INTO STATE WITH 25-0 records and they don't win any matches at state besides turner, let me know what you think.

Do you just have a problem with everyone outside of your team in Ark City? We all know that you guys are good, but do you have to bash everyone else? Also who are you/weight/are you even varsity? 6A isn't exactly the strongest class, and everyone that's undefeated coming into state usually is pretty good, not winning a match is pretty unusual, but i'm sure it could happen, keep talking and prove yourself at state not on here

Alex

Ark city is living in the past, we will see what they are made of when they head into Newton. If they finish in the top 5 then they can talk all the trash they want. Until then... be careful of what you say or it might come back to haunt you.

no im not bad mouthing everyone thats not ark city, just look at the results at state with the kc area people compared to their records, compare are regional bishop carrol ark city campus kapuan winfield valley center and not sure who else, but by far tuffest regional in the land.

Toughest 5A regional in the land, you mean. The toughest regional would have to be either the 4A western Regional or the 3-2-1A western Regional.

nope the toughest, not saying 4a isnt tuff it is but 123a give me a break

321A weak? 4A weak? who overall has more state champs per class? well lets take a look at this...1 St. Francis 100 2. Oberlin 81....man that's a hard choice....come on though 5A has more losing records in the state tournament than 4A & 321A combined, 5A regionals only have around 8 schools total and most brackets have byes in it, i seen a couple brackets last year where kids byed into the semis then faced losing records in the semis, so it's not too hard to figure out where the strength is, not 5A, i'm not saying that all 5A schools are weak but 5A in general. In the two years i've been to 321A regionals 3/4 of all brackets were full and some had pigtails, i was at the 321A regional tournament the year Phillipsburg hosted it, and you can't tell me that was a cake walk, i would much rather have atteneded any 5A regional than the one i did, sure there are more schools at 321A regionals due to more of the schools, but 5A couldn't compare to 321A & 4A in quality depth, there's quality in 5A but not the depth the two classes forementioned have, it's the facts.... not an opinion

also who are you? weight? and are you even varisty?

bye's at state bronco needs to learn how to read a bracket sounds like, and yes your 123a schools have more but most of them kids are getting took off of the farm to wrestle lol, so not really good talent unless you mean goat wrestling or whatever they do there.

not saying anything to you "acbulldog" but just cuz a team or reginal is 123a doesnt mean there bad...there are still good kids in there and good teams

oh and bronco how would you see the brackets for 5a when your in 123a not at the same place genius.

i was talking about at 5A regionals where the byes are, and you can see the regional brackets & state brackets on the internet... and down on the farm? until the city boys step up and can take over as the teams with the most individual state champs talk, until then stay in the city

also we're 4A now...

Wow that's ignorant

the schools producing the most individual state champions are mostly farm towns maybe there's a correlation between the two?

the city schools your refering to didn't start wrestling till 1950's or 60's so you really can't even compare what the likes of ark city has done 81 individual state champs two 4timers and many 3timers so get some more research under your belt,

Kansas super star--brackets are available on line from the KSHSAA--before and after the state tournaments. Also, Bronco wrestler wrestles for Russell (a tongue twister!), a school that is usually one of the largest 3A or smallest 4A schools--therefore, it is quite possible that he has been at Wichtia for state and also at Hays during his HS career.

The area of the state where high school wrestling is ACTUALLY as important as HS basketball and in some schools bigger than basketball is NW Kansas--and there are no 5A or 6A schools there.

As has been stated before on this forum, a greater population will yield the greater PROBABILITY of talented individuals. The fact that a child lives in a metropoltan area (or rural area for that matter) does not automatically mean they are physically superior to all others not of that area.

It is sad that most 5A and 6A brackets at regional tournaments are not full (only 8 man brackets to boot!) and that a 5A or 6A varsity wrestler has NO WORSE than a 50-50 chance of qualifying for the state tournament.

Go to the northwest to take in a tournament; it will do your heart and head some good.

and the most ever in a row team wise. wich will never be matched.

thanks luvksu, there isn't too much research to do, it's plain to see that 321A and 4A has more schools thus the talent is spread thinner between teams, not to mention there were over 35 teams alone in hays last year...how many were there in Wichita in the 5A class alone? also when there are fewer schools it's easier to repeat as champs, who has more team championships to their name? a 5/6A school or a 321A school?

lets look @ the top 10 in producing individual state champs

1 Saint Francis 100 321A
2 Tie Arkansas City 81 5A
2 Tie Oberlin 81 321A
4 Norton 76 321A
5 Wichita East 69 6A?
6 Kapaun Mount Carmel 67 5A?
7 Hoxie 65 321A
8 Goodland 55 4A
9 Newton 52 5?
10 Colby 51 4A

so that makes it-
321A- 4
4A- 2
5A- 3
6A- 1

just shows ya some idea where all the power is....

I feel like there is no clear cut advantage at being 6a 5a 4a or whatever. It changes almost every year. Look at 6a 103, this year there are 3 kids who placed at Fargo.

I sure wish we had grand state!