Nowak, I stole something from everyone I ever watched wrestle that was worth a darn. I got my turk series from Russ Helickson, and learned much of what I know from Oklahoma State people, but what does that mean. I coached football and wrestling for 29 years but never went to get something just because someone famous did it or because they were doing it somewhere else. If it made sense for us then I used it or brought it back but I don't look at any particular state or program as the end all or be all of technique. Wrestling is always a borrowed skill, and there is nothing really new in any sport just variations on a theme or an idea here or there but it has to fit your system whatever that may be. I have never been jealous of other states or programs just curious about things I saw here or there. Shoot I learned more trying to keep up with Wayne Jackson and his kids than I did fromm anywhere else. I just think that sometimes we are hard on ourselves here in the Sunflower State. We are better than we think we are or I guess I should say you all are better than you think you are. There are just a lot of hosses out there you know.