Eric, I would agree that there would be several qualified coaches on the floor available for the child but considering that the coach is not familiar with the child's moves, strengths, weaknesses etc. I am not sure how much better of an experience this provides for the wrestler. Especially, considering the fact that the situation could have been avoided in the first place. Fact is, there shouldn't be even the slightest chance of this happening and right now that chance does exist.

True. I would expect that a coach in that kind of a bind would qualify for the sympathy pass.

Who made the motion to have clubs that weren't present at the end lose a pass?

Who seconded it?

In response to mr.Disney
1. In order to get more clubs at the state meeting, shorten it up,do all of the voting first, pass out typed reports with the packets, that way if someone has to leave early they can.

2. The floor does get a little crowded but it never interferes with the tournament, it doesn't slow down the matches, just about everyone that wants a pass gets one all you have to do is ask ned for one. I don't see a problem here.

the bottom line is the state meeting is too long, by the time everyone is done with their reports people are ready to go home.I agree their are people on the floor that don't need to be there but so what, the tournament runs smoothly for the most part,explain to me what the problem is, most district tournaments are worse.

if all you have to do to get a floor pass is ask Ned then that being said why go to the meeting at all? I don't think that is a very good anser.
As of today we have 9 pages of ideas and we are not any closer to solving the matter than on the first page. the club that started the whole thing is setting back not saying a thing and hoping no one anser jeffs post.
well I will tell you it came from a club with a lot of kids and coaches and they are not like a small club that depends on just one or two coachs to be there every weekend for a handful of kids. Its takes years to get a good wrestling club started and one day to destroy the dreams of kids and coaches and I hope that for the wrestling program in Kansas we can reunight and get better and the people in charge learn from there mistake.

Tom:

Exactly what was the mistake made by "the people in charge".

The people in charge at the State Body meeting are elected by the State Body to follow rules voted upon by the State Body.

A motion was made regarding coaches passes, an item on the agenda, and the motion passed by a majority vote of the State Body. The fact remains YOU LEFT and therefore your voice was not heard and your vote was not counted.

The fault lies directly with the person you see when you look in the mirror.

So if a new club was chartered today, and say had one kid make it to state, would they get a coaches pass to coach their state qualifier? They did not leave the meeting early....there is nothing in the rules that says you have to be a club by the state meeting. It is my understanding the rule was amended to say you lose a pass if you left the meeting early this would not apply to a new club chartered Dec. 1.


24/7

Why would they need more than one pass? The rule is one pass for every five qualifiers.

Richard
I like what your saying is at the bottom of your post Richard does not play well with others. I hope your refuring to coaches that are up set and not the kids these coaches work with each week and have to tell the parents they may not have a coach at there coner when state time comes around.
Richard you know how much work I have done for the kids the past 18 years and I will still do anything for the kids but the statment that was made just ask Ned and he will get you a pass is going to be hard for people to live with because that has went on for a long time any way. Richard your right I did leave early and belive it or not it was the first time in all the years that we left early and as a lot of others ,in fact almost half did the same thing they left early to.
So mabe its time for you to learn how to play well with others and if you do, things like this would not happen.
Now we can set here on the computer and get upset and smart off to each other but the bottom line is, we have to get back as a wrestling group and do whats best for the kids, you have to remember kids read this to.
Richard when things don't go well go to bed and wake up and have a good day. Thanks

Sportsfan02 you didn't read my post very closely. I was asking would they get a single pass? There is confusion if a club lost one or two passes. At least I thought I read that somewhere in the 9 pages of posts.

24/7

Did I leave early? Yes! Good excuse? Not really. Think something crappy happened? Yes. Will I stay the whole meeting next year? You bet. Gonna Complain? Hell no. Get over it and change it next year if you don't like the outcome. You have to be there to change it though.

And I said yes!

Who made the motion to have clubs that weren't present at the end lose a pass?

Who seconded it?

why isn't anyone answering Mr. Roberts question? This should be public information. Mr.Salyer you seem to think you know everything else why arn't you answering this.

Another thing why don't we give enough passes to have two coaches in every corner. With all of the scoring and time mistakes at state I would think this would be a priority.

The answear to Mr. Roberts question should be in the minutes of the meeting. I would think they would be available within two to four weeks after the meeting. Is this time frame correct?

Mr. Slayer said the item was on the agenda and passed. Is that a completely true statement? Did it pass as written or was it amended? There is a big difference. And, were the rules changed as to what counted as having attended the meeting. The real issue this thread is pointing at, and no one is addressing is the state tournament is real close to outgrowing the Expo Center, if it already hasn't. Changes need to be made that will allow all coaches on the floor, make it where there are not 4 or 5 hours between the matches for the kids, and ensure the fans are treated better by the facility staff. This issue is a sign kids wrestling in Kansas is doing well. The question is are we going to fight with each other until we drive some people out of the sport and find a way to include all. And, Jeff's question has validity.

To answer a few questions....

1. I do not know who made the motion nor do I know who seconded it. I do know that I made an amendment to have a pass added for the teams that were there at the end rather than have one taken away. I thought it was more fair to reward those who stayed rather than penalize those that left. This amendment was voted on and lost by 1 vote.

I don't think it is really important as to who made the motion, etc. What is important is that we try to really define the problem and then develop reasonable solutions. Once we do that then we can take it to the State meeting and try to make changes.

In that endeavor, I think the real issue is the limitation of coaches passes at the state tournament. I personally think that there should not be a limit and that you need to coaches per 1 wrestler. One to coach and the other to watch the score.

The biggest reason I have heard for limiting the # of passes is because of the crowding on the floor. If that is the reason for limiting passes then I think there are other ways to fix the crowding on the floor rather than limiting coaches passes. Here are a few ideas.....

1. Don't put a restriction on the number of passes. Strictly enforce access to the floor by limiting coaches on to the floor only when they have a wrestler that is 3-4 matches away from competing. Further enforce this by having a staff of some kind that roams the floor and check people. This is done at other big tournaments and works pretty well.

2. Provide a limited number of passes and then sell additional passes. This would allow those who really want them to have access and not limit clubs. It would also take out any subjectivity on who gets extra passes.

These are just a couple of ideas. There are pros and cons to both. I think if we can develop some reasonable courses of action then we can take them to the state meeting and discuss them and let the state body decide.

One thing I would recommend to everyone is that for those of us who think we should have more passes then we should do a better job of keeping ourselves off the floor if we don't have a wrestler getting ready to compete. I know that I am guilty of "hanging out", waiting on the floor rather than waiting in the stands. If we all were better at getting off the floor when we weren't needed then we can eliminate one of the arguments for restricting passes.

Just my two cents.

Shawn Budke

What was said is:



Coaches Passes was one of numerous items on the Agenda!

Who made the motion to have clubs that weren't present at the end lose a pass?

Who seconded it?