Barry - I have info from a reliable source that Bach weighed 240 with just his shorts on. I really believe that 197 is out of the question. His Dad is a big framed guy and I can see Joe at 265 and ripped in college.

Duane was undefeated last year at Rossville,
I love all the specualation
We might get to see some of these matchups at the big school vs small schools at the end of the year.
If Bach stays heavy we will see him and Atticus at 5a state.
I am sure we will See Bird, Kriss and Kober at some point run into each other at state.
Downs has always been a strong tough kid even when he was little in kids wrestling.He has always had the drive.
Zlatnik is well Zlatnik hes been a champ several times over
Congrats to Atticus on Minnesota

Chief, if you think back, he weighed 215 at end of July. His "walk-around-weight" during football is more like 230-235. The high school wrestling practices alone will cut 10 lbs., if all else remains the same. A simple change in diet will remove the rest. I can assure you that he eats 4-5 times a day, and drinks gallons of water. Yes I too agree that IF he is going to be a heavyweight, that is where he should wrestle. However, the quantity and quality of matches from competitive standpoint is better at 215. Not that I'm knocking anyone, just that bigger guys tend to stand around and jockey for position. Smaller guys tend to actually wrestle, which is what we are hoping for, as spectators. Joe was told at OSU intensive camp by a coach, that he could wrestle 197 in college, and not have a weight problem, the training is that intense.
All that being said, Joe has a pretty good understanding of all factors, and usually comes up with good decisions, by himself.

Clearly Zlatnik was undefeated last year. He told me that he had lost to Madison the year before. That big/small match will be something to see. Too bad we don't see any dual sport kids anymore in college.

If he can stay at 215 for the Duals, Team Kansas would be greatly improved. I know when he missed weight last year, they felt the pain. I just figured that he would follow in your footsteps and continue to grow, making 215 tough to make again.

if he's allowed another 18 years of his momma's cooking, he would look like me.

Mr. Bach, is Joe leaning towards playing football or wrestling in college?

riding straight up on the fence, at this point. He hasn't ruled out/for either, altho its definitely on his mind.
(he also has interest in track&field as well, tho not as serious)

Yes, I saw last year that he won the 5A State discus championship too. Two individual state championships in the same year. Your family has to be very proud of his accomplishments. That shows a tremendous amount of overall athletic talent to be that good at three sports. That is not seen as much these days of one sport athletes. Congratulations to Joe and your family.

As far as college goes, I am sure he has D-1 options in football and wrestling. It would be hard to do both. I could almost see that he could do all three sports at a smaller school if he was interested in that option. The good thing is that he has all those options.

These are the pre-season ALL-CLASS rankings that I have posted on the USAW Magazine web site. I will update these as we move along. Thanks for your input!

Here is the link:

http://www.wrestlingusa.com/02%20wusa%20web%20root/highschoolnews/kansasBest.html

103:
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 11 - CH
3. Taylor Moeder - 9 - CB
4. Blaine Smith - 10 - SS
4. Jeff Vesta - 11 - MH
5. Isaac Ruiz - 10 - JC
6. Tyson Schmidtberger - 10 - RS

112:
1. Nathan Furches - 11 - CL
2. Dennis Wood - 12 - LG
3. Alan Callahan - 11 - BAL
4. Sharky Slyter - 11 - PA
5. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE
6. Daniel Deshazer - 9 - WH

119:
1. Jordan Keller - 12 - BC
2. Chase Nitcher - 10 - VC
3. Koty Russell - 10 - LFS
4. Parker Madl - 10 - BV
5. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA
6. Alonzo Hernandez - 12 - GC



125:
1. Nathan McCormick - 12 - BVN
2. Trent Cox - 11 - AN
3. John Keller - 12 - BC
4. Collin Hase - 12 - SL
5. Kendric Maple - 11 - WH
6. Jesse Barber - 12 - DC

130:
1. Jake Tanenbaum - 12 - BVN
2. Trison Graham - 12 - AC
3. Colt Rogers - 10 - SC
4. Seth Mertins - 12 - VC
5. Cameron Jesseph - 11 - CH
6. Chase Nelson - 11 - WH



135:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 11 - GD
2. CJ Napier - 11 - CO
3. Tony Livengood - 11 - BVN
4. Kevin Callahan - 12 - BA
5. Tommy Knapp - LN
6. Joe Hagan - 12 - KM

140:
1. Aldon Isenberg - 12 - GE
2. Brent Fisher - 12 - GD
3. Phillip Henes - 12 - STA
4. Colby Crank - 11 - HT
5. Cas Spangler - BE
6. Steve Miller - 12 - MH

145:
1. Mitch Arnold - 12 - BC
2. Chris Watson - 11 - ANC
3. Mitch Means - 11 - GD
4. Gage Reichert - DC
5. Schridde - 12 - GB
6. Cody Eaton - BN

152:
1. Kyle Detmer - 11 - BC
2. Sam Thoman - 12 - AN
3. Nick Flynn - 12 - LG
4. Ryan Houlden - 11 - GD
5. Jordan Meyer - SB
6. Trevor Rempe - SC

160:
1. Jordan Brown - 11 - PT
2. Brandon Bonewell - 12 - GD
3. Travis Rempe - SC
4. Tapia - 12 - WF
5. Cameron Riojas - 12 - AC
6. Joey Hambleton - 12 - LC

171:
1. Tyler Koehn - 12 - PT
2. Scott Elliott - 12 - AC
3. Boaz Beard - 11 - GD
4. Ryan Patterson - 12 - GP
5. TJ Lorson - 12 - TS
6. Ben Davis - 12 - CC


189:
1. Romero Cotton - 12 - HT
2. Mark Kolmer - 10 - EP
3. Matt Baker - 12 - SME
4. Derek Heckel - 12 - UL
5. Jace Banner - 10 - GC
6. Matt Meinert - PR

215:
1. Aaron Racette - 12 - OA
2. Kyle Caylor - 10 - WNW
3. Nick Kriss - 12 - CB
4. Jake Kober - 12 - SFT
5. Jaydan Bird - 11 - ANC
6. Tyler Downs - 12 - DB


285:
1. Atticus Disney - 12 - SH
2. Joe Bach - 12 - LB
3. Duane Zlatnik - 12 - RS
4. Steve Andrus - 12 - MH
5. Alex Thomas - 12 - NO
6. Spencer Hilley - 12 - CL

WUSA Magazine:

- Caldwell is #2 ranked Junior and #8 ranked all-class at 135.

- Napier is #1 ranked Junior and #3 ranked all-class at 140.

Eric:

The USA Wrestling High School ranking link is provided below:
High School Folkstyle Rankings

The rankings you boast of are not available at this link.

Your rankings and affiliation are with Wrestling USA Magazine and not USAW Magazine.
Wrestling USA Kansas State Editors

Wrestling USA Magazine is a subscription based, for profit magazine owned by the Bryant family and headquartered in Missoula, Montana.
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Richard,

Your link to the USA Wrestling rankings are actually the subscription based for profit W.I.N. Magazine rankings.

Guys do not get to excited about rankings to soon. Early January and the end of February might have more meaning. Read todays KC Star about early rankings and compare it to 10 games in. Larry Johnson was a preseason football favorite I'll bet - but recent statistics are showing he is down the list in most catagories.

These preseason rankings, 8th vs. 9th and state championships threads (all of them) are fun and entertaining. The results of these predictions have a history of being in error. The threads are fun, entertaining and start good conversation about a sport we all love and enjoy watching. I enjoy the comedy before and after the results have unfolded. I also can respect the time invested to put together such data. The time and effort to keep a buzz going about a great sport as wrestling is awesome.

There will still be many edits made when these wrestlers finally: make weight, become eligible, stay injury/sick free, favoritism removed, keep the grades in order and stay in good standings with parents and coaches. The wrestlers will give the final rankings with there performance. Granted there are some solid estimates that could be made very easily. The ones that maintain good grades, respectful attitudes combined with there wrestling ability. Atticus Disney would be my quickest example but the list goes on.

The season has started and the wrestling community is very excited. The time and energy that a handful of adults put into keeping the pulse alive for the sport of wrestling is appreciated. I also give extra credit to the adults that give there time when there kids have moved on. Richard would be a nice example.

Keep the fun and entertainment alive because eventually the rolling edits will play out to be correct. The time frame for correct information will no doubt be the results of the Kansas State Tournament.

Chief

Where is Mertins from Valley Center? He beat Graham twice last year and Jesseph? 2006 2nd at state, 2007 third.

Seth deserves to be in there. I will correct that. Preference was given to 2007 State finalists. Graham beat him 8-4 at state. Graham, Rogers and Jesseph were State champions while Tanenbaum and Nelson were runners-up. At 43-3, Mertins deserves to be ranked. I might put him in at #4 and move Jesseph and Nelson down. Thanks for the input.

What about Lorson from Topeka Seaman at 171? I'm pretty sure that he beat Davis and Elliott last year, and he wrestled Cotton pretty tough in the finals. He should figure into the mix somehow.

Lorson lost to Nill in the semis and didn't wrestle Cotton. When did he beat Elliott?

Jace Campbell from Oakley should probably be in there somewhere @ 119. He was second in state last year to Colt Rogers and beat Alonzo Hernandez from Garden City 12-3.