Nobody is stopping 6 and unders from going to the state tournament, are they? It's just that "6 and under" isn't recognized as an age division (just as "4 and under" isn't recognized at local tournaments). So, the argument that 6 and unders are getting ripped off doesn't really fly. They can go to state just like anybody else can.

no that isnt true. there is an actual 6 and under division. there is not a 4 and under division. the fact is since there is a 6 and under division that does everything the 8 and up do they should not be left out. they should also not be pushed into moving up to the 8 and under division for a chance to compete at a state tournament. they pay their dues. let them be like everyone else. if not then might as well not even have a 6 and under division sanctioned. then the tournaments could just sign up 6 and unders on their own without the fees. now that would not make any sense would it. dont know why it was ever voted on in the first place. if there is a 6 and under division paying fees then there should be a 6 and under at the state tournament.

that rule does not address the consecutive days at 2 different tourny's. I understand that no weight allowance at a tourny but when it is 2 different tourny's that is different.
As far as 6&u get "ripped" off that was never said. The main issues was the money that is paid to the state and the state rules not applying to them.
Who else feels like there is something not right about this issue.

thank you bockman that is exactly my point.

There is nothing that requires them to treat consecutive days differently just because the high school rules do. High school weights and weigh ins are not really that applicable to kids club wrestling. For example, the high schoolers must certify and do hydration testing. They get a two pound growth allowance after the holidays (mid January). They are limited to 1 wrestler at each weight so kids must go occasionally go up or down. Kids club has no restrictions. 10 kids from the same club can be in the same bracket. Also, a pound is not very much to allow a high schooler weighing 189 pounds when compared to allowing a pound to a 45 pound 6 year old.

exactly since that dont address it refers to the national high school. thank you backing me up. for your info there are tourny's at the high school and college level that a school may enter more than one wrestler.

Sorry, I'm not backing you up. High School treats it differently. Kids Club does not and is not required to. They clearly say that there is no weight allowance unless the tournament director wants to give an allowance. Your tournament director is telling you they are not giving an allowance.

here are my fees. now lets wrestle all year long at 6 and under. pay all this money. now bring on the 8 and unders so i can pay more money to get beat. wow i payed all that money all year long to get beaten at the end of the season by the 8 and under division. wow now that makes sense. but its not about the money

How much did you pay? Seriously.

one individual amount is not much but 1800 as a whole is alot.

Are we talking how much for the state card? Or how much for registration for each tournament, cost of gas to travel to each tournament, cost of hotels, and the cost of food.
It cost a lot to take my 5 year old to all these tournaments. Am I saying that I won't continue to do it. NO WAY he loves it too much!!!

How much did you pay for your card? You get a tournament and officiating for you weekly entry fees.

Maybe I'm wrong and if I am I appologize. But what did the $35.00 go to?

If a six year old is making the decision of what weight to wrestle and a parent is worried about a 1LB allowance-you are going to have a long road

Weight Loss Should definitely NOT be a topic of discussion for
a 6 year old 40, 43, 46, etc. If they grow - move up to next weight.

6 & UNDER STATE IS TO YOUNG PERIOD. I know I am not speaking for everyone. I have coached youth wrestling for over twenty years. I have coached 5 year olds and I have coached at the college level. I also vote at the state body meeting and I will never vote for 6 & under state. We do not need to put false expectations into these young children’s minds. A 6 & under state champ may not make it back to state for another 4 years or ever. This creates false expectations in the child and in the parents who think their kid is the toughest roughest rumbler this side of the Mississippi. My son was a pretty decent wrestler at six and under and won the majority of his matches in the two tournaments I let him pick to enter. When he graduated to 8 & under and he was all of 7 years old he was getting it handed to him pretty hard by some eight year olds. When he was eight he dealt some of the 7 year olds a whipping. I think as a whole that is the natural progression the majority of kids make. I as a coach do not want to burn out the young participants when he or she is in eighth grade. I have seen it all too often that a parent is trying to create a national/Olympic champion. Your child is not you and never will be you. So let’s stop all this nonsense for a 6 & under world champ. I have seen parents run their kids out of baseball, football, track, tennis, golf, etc. Do not live your life through your child’s eyes. I have seen parents’ way out of hand watching the six and under group and our sport doesn't need that kind of pressure put on these young people. The boys and girls will grow up at their own pace - not in your or my time frame.

THE END!

Sean - STA Kids Club


Pay Close Attention to the results of questions #4,5,6,&7 below.


ESPN Poll - SportsNation

1) Parents like those of Tiger Woods and the Williams sisters, who groom their kids to be athletes from a young age, are:
50.3% Hurting their kids
49.7% Helping their kids

2) At what age should kids start playing organized sports?
58.3% Between ages 5-7
23.4% Between ages 8-10
13.6% Before age 5
4.7% After the age of 10

3) At what age did you start playing organized sports?
49.8% Between ages 5-7
23.7% Between ages 8-10
14.5% Before age 5
12.1% After the age of 10

4) At what age should scores begin to be kept in organized games?
43.9% Between ages 8-10
35.1% Between ages 5-7
20.9% After the age of 10

5) At what age should all-star 'travel teams' be created?
40.2% Between ages 11-13
36.8% After the age of 13
19.3% Between ages 8-10
3.7% Before age 8

6) At what age should national championships begin to be held?
61.9% After the age of 13
28.0% Between ages 11-13
7.9% Between ages 8-10
2.2% Before age 8

7) If a kid is going to make it to the pros in a given sport, at what age does he need to begin specializing in that sport?
48.4% Before end of high school
28.5% Before age 13
17.4% Before age 9
5.7% Before age 5

8) At what age should the media begin televising and reporting on youth games?
84.1% High school years
8.6% Middle school years
6.3% Any age is fine
1.1% Elementary school years

9) Should kids be given physical/physiological tests to help them determine which sports they might be best tailored to play?
72.6% No
27.4% Yes

10) How important is the role of genetics in the making of an elite athlete?
52.2% Important but not critical
29.1% Very important
12.9% Not that important
5.8% Not at all important

Total Votes: 14,083

yes i allow them to make their decision on weight and if they wanna wrestle certain tourny's if at all. Same as every year i ask them if the want to partake in a sport or not. As far a burn-out, if they didnt like wrestling why are mine getting trouble at home for too much wrestling. I have to tell them to take a night off, thx for your concern about my children. As far as the registration, take the cost of card fees multiply by the number a 6&u wrestlers and you get a lot of money. Then come the end of the year they get their age division taken from them. Then when a club or now clubs put on a 6&u state tourny they have to do it in the middle of the stretch run of subs, etc. Why doesnt the state just put the 6&u in the state tourny, I dont know whay it even is a vote issue(like Bockman stated). Is there a vote every year to keep 8&u, 10&u, etc.?

At our house we don't tell our son or our daughter that winning matters the most. We ask them; Did you have fun, and Did you try your best. If we hear yes then we are happy. Teach them have fun and to try to learn something from their activity and we will all be better off. And to be honest, we will be going to 6-U state, but if we didn't it not the end of the world of us or to our son.

My son is in high school now. In about 2 weeks, regionals start and the season will be over for about half the team. All year long, the school has had JV meets and tournements. These kids pay the same, practice the same work as hard and yet the state doesn't offer a JV State. I realize that our freshman 189 pounder could in theory beat out our varsity 189 pounder, but that's not very realistic. Should we add a JV state? Junior Varsity is a recognized division.

New Wrestling Dad. I really don't know how much the cards are. No need to apologize. My point is that whatever they cost, it's a bargain compared to the time and energy your coaches give these little guys and gals.

Let's make sure they keep loving it too much.

Isn't part of the $35 card fee for insurance purposes? I believe it covers injuries both during practice and sanctioned meets.

My point is that whatever they cost, it's a bargain compared to the time and energy your coaches give these little guys and gals.

Let's make sure they keep loving it too much. [/quote]

I totally agree!