thanks for that point of view michael. i hadn't looked at it that way. i have a 6u that ususlly weighs in at 64.5 and we wrestle 67 and i haven't been happy that he's had to wrestle kids at some tourneys that were 80. although we did fine with those, i was concerned about the difference. after a while, you get used to it, but i never thought of it that way. thanks for putting my mind in the right spot.