Talking to the wrestlers themselves won't change the fact that FHSU has never placed in the top 5 at the NCAA Div. II national tournament. Bickley holding the honor as the winningest dual coach in history is huge, but only being that few losses away from the most losses as well doesn't look as good. It means the teams are mediocre at best, .500%.

Also I know the arguement about having a great team GPA should count yes it should, but UNK did win the National Tournament this year and placed in the top 3 academically. You can have the best of both worlds....

This debate is basically pointless until someone defines what is success, and don't tell me to define it, because I really don't know.