Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
1. Those on the "list" were just a brief glance at next year.
2. Where is the SM East bias? Not one SME kid was listed.
3. Tanner Kriss will be 215 next year.
4. These are certainly not rankings.
5. Losing Disney, Andrus, Bach, Thomas, Kober,Roberts, Doxon and Downs has changed the landscape of our senior big men.
6. Lighten up Vince. Jacob has a real shot at a State title. I expect him to be there next year!


Eric:

I think you need to be a little more careful on your brief glances and rankings or lists or whatever you want to call them because some of these high school kids do read these postings and they do take offense to being left off. I am not just talking about Jacob. I have heard this from others.

As far as where your SM East bias is I know you did not mention any SM East 2009 wrestlers on this list. I looked at your State qualifier list and you did not have any 2009 state placers so I did not expect you to include any on this particular list. But my point is that I believe from reading some of your previous ratings that all of those wrestlers 189 and over that I mentioned would also been mentioned by you if they were SM East wrestlers. I saw you last year include on a PRE-SEASON prediction of state placers in 6A a SM East junior varsity wrestler from the previous year. I know it often happens but on a Pre Season ranking to put up a prediction of a JV wrestler from your son's team as a state placer, tell me that isn't showing a SM East bias.

It really should not matter if Tanner Kriss is going to be 215 next year. The point is that you didn't seem to think those other wrestlers from last year that actually wrestled and placed third or higher in weights over 189 deserved mentioning on your list. And yet you managed to name several in weights under 189 that did not place as high as these heavier wrestlers that I mentioned. I am not saying that these wrestlers who you mentioned were not also deserving but the wrestlers I mentioned deserved recognition on that same type of list and you still seem to think that they are not deserving mention.

On these class of 2008 wrestlers at 215 and 285 leaving the landscape that you mentioned, I take that to mean that you don't think the guys that I mentioned will be in the same category with all of those guys. I disagree. I believe several of the 2009 guys that I mentioned will perform next year to the same level of some of those young men mentioned from the 2008 class. In fact a couple of them may have placed higher at state last year than a couple of the guys you mentioned. Again you need to be more careful in making lists I know for a fact that you missed a couple of State champions in Zlatnick and Hackathorn. How could you possibly not mention Zlatnick? There may be more that you missed. You are correct that 2008 was an exception year for heavier weights in Kansas. Those guys you mentioned were all very good and some were national caliber wrestlers. That would also have been a great reason to have given some recognition to those 2009 wrestlers who managed still to place in the top three in such a stellar year for heavier wrestlers.

Every year and just about every weight class losses top wrestlers. It is just not happening in the higher weights. There are plenty of 2008 seniors in all the weight classes that are moving on to college that will change the landscape of those classes too.

Eric, I guess I will start lightening up on it when you can admit you made too brief of a glance at it by not including all those wrestlers that I mentioned over 189 and not even bothering to make any attempt at identifying deserving 3-2-1A wrestlers. If you aspire to be that State coordinator type person for our Kansas Dual teams next year (a position you suggested in another post) you will need to have a better understanding of 3-2-1A wrestlers and of all the available talent in the heavier weight classes.


Vince Nowak
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