Hmmm, tell you what, I coached kids, good kids, against Duell, Oeser, Goodale, Ware, and Layton and I can tell you first hand that they were all equally hard to beat. I saw no difference in them and only won one match against the lot of them and that was one of their first matches of his career (good that we caught him early) One thing I found out, a great one is a great one. Where he comes from does not make it hurt any less or make you feel any less helpless lol.