OK, Tacha don't have a heart attack here but I have been watching most of this for a bit here and Gary Ulmer and I talked about it at some length today. We have seen and coached or wrestled against pretty much all of these teams since the mid 60's. (well Gary since 1940) and we sort of have a feel for it historically at least over that time period. We felt like the 1966 Norton team (God it gags me to say that lol) and that Ark City team with (and I am relying on memory here and Beeson will help me I think) Hernandez, Beeson, young Ware, Goodale, and the rest of those boys were maybe the two best teams we have seen in that time period. The Beloit and Kapaun teams were very good and this Goddard team would be right in there too but by a very narrow margin we settled on those teams as the best we had seen, coached against and wrestled against. Those Norton and Ark City teams had more all-time talent than any team we have seen in that time. I also think there were a couple of St. Francis teams in the 60's with all those Kellers, Walters, and Cooks that would be there as well but I can't pick the years. Now if you agree, it was my idea and if you violently disagree it was all Gary's idea lol.