Scott. Those tournaments are above any Kansas has, at this point. Salina as of right now seems to be the toughest, for the calibur of compitision, in Kansas. Panhandle nationals in Texas is also really good, if you're willing to make the drive to Lubbock, Tx. Panhandle is usually Thanksgiving weekend. Hopefully next year Kansas will have 3 to go to if every thing goes right!!!