Team first. Scheduling needs to be a good mix with a variety of competition.

Either way, its up to the coach to run their team and they should be able to travel where they want. Whether they chose Sonderegger's model or a team concept, it should be up to the coach.

Tell me how the mcl prohibits Norton from competing in Garden City? Serriously take Bronco wrestler's advice and dont be apart of the kshaa. Why do u wanna beat this topic over and over? There are plenty of oportunities within the 500 mile limit to provide with ample competition. Let us do away with 4 state tournaments and have 1. Again Will fills his days pounding on the keyboard, while Im busy working on submitting fools

At least Alex Ryan puts his name behind his comments.

Norton wanted to go to the GC tournament but it is the same weekend as the MCL. Norton could have sent its JV which would have most likely won the tournament anyway but the other members of the league opposed the arrangment.

Seriously, take my advice. If you don't like what I write, don't read it!!!

The biggest three tournaments in the country are: Beast of the East, Walsh Ironman, and Reno Tournament of Champions. There is never a fourth even mentioned! The recruiting rankings are based on a wrestler's performance at one of these tournaments more than any other tournament including Fargo. There are only a handful of national rankers and the college opportunities are largely driven by their opinions. To be denied the option to compete in these tournaments inhibits your ability to be rated "The Best" in the country. All three of these tournaments are outside of the STUPID travel restriction.

I agree! Lets do away with the four state tournaments. There may never be a 321A wrestler winning a state title again unless they open up their scheduling and start wrestling the toughest competition. Those league tournaments are a joke! They would be okay if we could wrestle 40 points instead of 30.

By the way, what is "submitting fools?"

I don't think the travel restrictions make much sense. If a team can raise the funds to go to wrestle out of state they should be allowed to go. The way the rules are now a team can travel 500 miles from the kansas border. St.James is 410 miles from Goodland, Ks, so in effect they can travel 910 miles west but only 500 miles east. This doesn't make any sense.

It makes perfect sense! KSHSAA knows if you travel more then 500 miles from the border you will fall off the edge of the world.

Finally someone who really knows what they are talking about! Steve did you get your geography education in a 321A school?

N0 I was one of the lucky 60% that made it out of the cess-pool known as the KC metro area High Schools.

Bronco Wrestler,
I decided to do a small scholl vs large school comparison since you are saying the smaller 321A schools are superior to 5-6A schools. You mentioned Hoxie,Oakley,Atwood,Brewster and colby so I will compare them to Lansing,Olathe N,Shawnee mission east,Olathe Nwand Shawnee mission Nw

Hoxie- 174 students, 11-1 teacher to student ratio, 95% graduation rate, spend $9,482 per student

Oakley-151 students,9-1 teacher to student ratio,96% graduation rate, $7,555 per student

Atwood- 189 students,11-1 ratio, graduation rate unavailable,$10.047 per student

Brewster- 135 students, 8-1 ratio,90% graduation rate,$13,696 per student

Colby- 259 students,14-1 ratio,94% graduation rate,$8371 per student


Lansing- 720 students, 17-1 ratio,99% graduation rate,$6,727 per student

Olathe north-1328 students,12-1 ratio, 92% graduation rate,$8,519 per student

Shawnee Mission east- 1999 students,18-1 ratio,92% graduation rate, $8,708 per student

Olathe NW-1233 students, 12-1 ratio, 92% graduation rate, $8,519 per student

Shawnee Mission NW-1835 students,17-1 ratio,92% graduation rate,$8,708 per student

According to these figures the large schools do just as good of a job and for less money, they offer far more opportunities for their students, of all of the schools listed Lansing spent the least per student $6,727, while Brewster spent the most $13,696.

After looking at these figures I think Will is right we can combine some small schools and save tax dollars.

Tbau, can you direct me to where you found the information? I looked this afternoon to no avil, I'm probably just blind. I'm not arguing the figures just curious what some of the other schools looked like in the surrounding areas.

Donkey Wrestler,

I can't believe with that awesome teacher to student ratio and tremendous cost per student rate you are so in love with that you didn't learn where to find data. I hope you are a better official than you are a graduation rate prognasticator!

By the way, where is my explanation email? You waste my time sending me an email on my work account and then you don't have the decency to reply?? Come on!!

By the way, please don't quit posting, I love the entertainment value you provide.

Sorry Will I just replied to the email address that was attached to the Forward of my post to Mr. Bowden. I figured if you had time to forward a post while at work you could receive one thank you email. As for your explanation, in time.

Wow, now I am really jealous.
Those teacher to student ratios are crazy, especially in the small schools. It must be easy, or should I say easier, being a teacher there. Out of 6 classes, my lowest student count is 24, the highest is 30, the average is 27. I have colleagues with 28-30 averages. Do some administrator numbers also and it is easy to see why the consolidation issue comes up. It is certainly not just a wrestling issue.
Oh well, I do get paid so I don't complain.
The send um, I teach um, they pay me, I pay bills, life goes on.

The Principal to student ratio is that of a big school teacher! Millions of dollars are being needlessly or should I say carelessly in this area. Just one year let every school be paid for by population within the district only. Can you imagine!

Season has not even started yet but I nominate this as POST OF THE YEAR. Tommy Dynamite put both of Donkey Wrestler's feet in his mouth with this post. Standing O for Tommy!!

Maybe I'm just reading this wrong but from what was posted by an official i'm not sure they should be officiating any 5A or 6A matches. sounds a little biased to me. But that wouldn't surprise me, we already let convicted felons ref.

I looked at this website and it's statistics are ridiculously inaccurate, it said that the junior class at Douglass High School has 80 students when Douglass has 53 students in the junior class.

So class sizes in Douglass don't vary from year to year? I am pretty sure that data didn't come from this year and I am just as sure that your class sizes fall into a range that could be as much as 27 students different. Why do you think KSHSAA takes an annual census and reclassifies the high schools every year?

I don't think Douglass has ever had classes with that many students and you misspelled Douglass and census

How many students does douglass have? If they have less students than reported does that mean they spend more than $9,163
per student that was reported? Having all of these small schools 30-45 min apart does not make sense. It is much more efficient to consolidate schools and save tax dollars. The state is broke it is only a matter of time before these small schools are consolidated to save all kansans tax dollars. Maybe Douglass started out with 80 students but with only a 87% graduation rate maybe they only have 53 students left.