Again, why not go ahead and look in the future and make it a two day tournament? Add a few more Good teams and make it bigger.

Because they first have to determine how many of the existing teams would they lose by going to a two day tournament. All of those teams already have their points filled so that means what will they give up to go to BC for two days.

A better solution would be for the coaches to unify with the AD's and demand that we allow a 6th match in Kansas. Kansas has already broken rank from the NFHSA for our weight control and weigh in procedures. A sixteen team tournament could then be conducted in one day without any risk of a mandated forfeit.

Think about how much money would be saved at regionals. ALL regionals could be conducted in one day. If you can't wrestle six matches in a day it is time to join your school's bowling program.

I've always hated the five match rule. I'm not in favor of unlimited matches, but by the rules we now have in place, a wrestler could wrestle as much as 8 minutes, 30 seconds per match. 5 matches COULD equate to 42 minutes, 30 seconds. I looked through a couple of Emporia's brackets and found that several of the kids that wrestled 5 matches did so in less than 20 minutes of total time. I don't have time to do so, but I'd like to see how many of the wrestlers that couldn't compete in the conso finals had wrestled more than 34 minutes on the day. If they had not done so, a sixth match couldn't have put them on the mat more than the alloted time by the current rule. Change the rule and we can get through 16 man brackets the right way.

The Bishop Carroll Tourney also falls on Finals week and a lot of teams may bail out if it became a two day since finals are being given on the Friday that the first day of tournament would have to take place. Pretty sure I would have to pull my team out if they went to a two day tournament....

Great perspective Coach, I hadn't thought about finals week.

Leave it to Church to have some great perspecitve.

Just curious... are there ANY coaches or AD's who oppose six matches in a day???

And if so, explain your rationale.

5 matches with no OT = 30. Why not go by mat time? If the kid wrestled less than 24 min in the first 5 matches then let him wrestle 6. More than whatever the allotted time and then you forfiet.

Mat time is too complicated. Matches is much easier to manage. A 16 man bracket is the largest you can have for a one day, line bracketed, tournament. You could go with 20 and four five many pools with two rounds of medal matches for a max of six as well. If you go mat time and someone has a bunch of OT matches they might have to forfeit their sixth match. Lets avoid that issue.

Well...It might be too expensive to have more than 5 matches in one day per wrestler. That is an extra 14 matches possible a day. Think of the occupancy expenses that extra mat time would incur.
We cant have that now can we. We cant even find a school to host an 8 team regional because it costs too much (or because our leaders have been asleep at the wheel.)

That would still be a stupid change. If a kid can't wrestle 6 matches in a day, no matter if all of them go to OT, then he ought to think about getting good enough to stay on the front side. Come to think of it, wrestling 6 matches in a day is a good way to make yourself better. Each match should be somewhat of a step up in competition from the last. But KSHSAA isn't interested in kids making themselves better.

I know, that is a little harsh, but seriously, KSHSAA acts like it is ME that is wrestling 5 matches in a day. I agree that it is a good rule to keep ME from wrestling ANY matches in a day, unless it is versus a novice mom.

There was a day back when my wife was a novice mom. I don't think that I would have wanted to tangle with her back then, let alone today.

"As I walked through the valley of the shadow of death...", that is all I am saying.

Another expense you might want to consider is the officials. I know I have visited with some officials and they have said if we add another match to the limit, then we need to add $$$ to the officiating fee. More matches = more matches and a longer day for them also.

I know, some feel they are overpaid for the job they do, but I understand their feeling about the extra work for the same money.

It just occured to me that more matches for the same pay might be a really good deal! How many officials are WAY, WAY overweight and unfit? Pay them the same but have them work more matches. Less money to buy food and less time in the hospitality rooms. More matches equals more calories burned... This seems way too logical to me!

If they are forfiting matches in the consolation finals then what extra match are they officiating (Which is where the matches are being forfited)? In my opinion they get to take a match off. They have to officiate these matches at other weights, so what would be the issue if they had to officiate the match that was scheduled for that day?

To be honest you don't hear the good officials complain. They know what their job is and will do it when they step out on the mat. A match limit should have no bearing on how officials are paid. They are paid by the day not the match.

We don't need some Okie coming on here making reasonable statements like that. Sooner or later I would have been able to think hard enough to make a sensible statement like you did. Quit stealing KS' thunder.

Almost forgot, Happy Birthday Doug and congratulations to the Okie on his recognition award.